main@UltralightDX.groups.io | DEGEN 'window' loop?

Rik

					Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travel antenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW only version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this sort of antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have one, and if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version, comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se, but very portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK
				

dhsatyadhana <satya@...>

#9180

					I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago from Universal Radio, and it didn't work at all.  It may have been defective, since others have had luck with them.  However, I just returned it and got my money back (less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work from personal experience.  It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA
				

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							--- In ultralightdx@..., "farmerik" <farmerik@...> wrote:

Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travel antenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW only version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this sort of antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have one, and if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version, comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se, but very portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK

Rik

#9181

					I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? The antenna came in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been opened though. I wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have been checked. Enough must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik
				

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							--- In ultralightdx@..., "dhsatyadhana" <satya@...> wrote:

I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago from Universal Radio, and it didn't work at all.  It may have been defective, since others have had luck with them.  However, I just returned it and got my money back (less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work from personal experience.  It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA

--- In ultralightdx@..., "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:

Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travel antenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW only version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this sort of antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have one, and if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version, comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se, but very portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK

Rik

#9182

					Universal still sells them as the Kaito 33. - FARMERIK
				

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							--- In ultralightdx@..., "farmerik" <farmerik@...> wrote:

I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? The antenna came in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been opened though. I wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have been checked. Enough must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik

--- In ultralightdx@..., "dhsatyadhana" <satya@> wrote:

I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago from Universal Radio, and it didn't work at all.  It may have been defective, since others have had luck with them.  However, I just returned it and got my money back (less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work from personal experience.  It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA

--- In ultralightdx@..., "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:

Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travel antenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW only version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this sort of antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have one, and if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version, comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se, but very portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK

Tao Qu

#9183

de31: sw only

tg33 / ka33: mw only

tg34 / de31ms: mw + sw

From: ultralightdx@... [mailto:ultralightdx@...] On Behalf Of farmerik
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:54 AM
To: ultralightdx@...
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK

Universal still sells them as the Kaito 33. - FARMERIK

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--- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" .> wrote:
>
>
> I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? The antenna came in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been opened though. I wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have been checked. Enough must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik
>
> --- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, "dhsatyadhana" wrote:
> >
> > I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago from Universal Radio, and it didn't work at all. It may have been defective, since others have had luck with them. However, I just returned it and got my money back (less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work from personal experience. It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.
> >
> > Kevin S
> > Bainbridge Island, WA
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" wrote:
> > >
> > > Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travel antenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW only version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this sort of antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have one, and if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version, comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
> > > It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se, but very portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK
> > >
> >
>

Rik

#9186

					Very interesting Tao Qu. My antenna is labeled as a TG33 and Mediumwave active loop, but the Universal Radio catalog describes the KA33 as tuning AM and SW 3.9 to 22 MHz. It only seems to have a single tuning control, and no band switch to select AM or SW, and with a gap from AM up to 3.9 MHz. it should have one or the other.

I really don't know what is going on here. - FARMERIK

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							--- In ultralightdx@..., "Tao Qu" <tquchina@...> wrote:

de31: sw only
tg33 / ka33: mw only
tg34 / de31ms: mw + sw

  _____

From: ultralightdx@... [mailto:ultralightdx@...] On
Behalf Of farmerik
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:54 AM
To: ultralightdx@...
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK




Universal still sells them as the Kaito 33. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:


I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? The antennacame in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been opened though. I
wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have been checked. Enough
must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com, "dhsatyadhana" <satya@> wrote:

I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago from UniversalRadio, and it didn't work at all. It may have been defective, since others
have had luck with them. However, I just returned it and got my money back
(less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work from personal
experience. It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA



--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:

Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travelantenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED
indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW only
version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this sort of
antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have one, and
if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version,
comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se, but veryportable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK

						

Antonios Kekalos <akekalos@...>

#9187

I recently purchased the KA33 from Universal Radio. Still playing with it, but I have found that it does offer an improvement on SW using it with my KA1103. I have not tried the antenna in the MW switch position yet. When I first connected everything as described on the back of the box I misread the diagram and thought I had a dead unit as I detected nothing at all, no increase in signal strength, noise, anything. Reconfiguring it correctly made a world of difference.

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On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:01 AM, farmerik <farmerik@...> wrote:

Very interesting Tao Qu. My antenna is labeled as a TG33 and Mediumwave active loop, but the Universal Radio catalog describes the KA33 as tuning AM and SW 3.9 to 22 MHz. It only seems to have a single tuning control, and no band switch to select AM or SW, and with a gap from AM up to 3.9 MHz. it should have one or the other.

I really don't know what is going on here. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@..., "Tao Qu" wrote:
>
> de31: sw only
> tg33 / ka33: mw only
> tg34 / de31ms: mw + sw
>
> _____
>
> From: ultralightdx@... [mailto:ultralightdx@...] On
> Behalf Of farmerik
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:54 AM
> To: ultralightdx@...
> Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK
>
>
>
>
> Universal still sells them as the Kaito 33. - FARMERIK
>
> --- In ultralightdx@ ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" wrote:
> >
> >
> > I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? The antenna
> came in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been opened though. I
> wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have been checked. Enough
> must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik
> >
> > --- In ultralightdx@ ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "dhsatyadhana" wrote:
> > >
> > > I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago from Universal
> Radio, and it didn't work at all. It may have been defective, since others
> have had luck with them. However, I just returned it and got my money back
> (less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work from personal
> experience. It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.
> > >
> > > Kevin S
> > > Bainbridge Island, WA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In ultralightdx@ ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travel
> antenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED
> indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW only
> version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this sort of
> antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have one, and
> if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version,
> comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
> > > > It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se, but very
> portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--
Tony, N4RNI
Traverse City, MI
SWLR-RN072
EN74es

Rik

#9188

					I didn't see a band switch in the Universal Radio diagram, but they might have just used an old illustration. I wouldn't expect this extremely compact for transport loop to be for DXing, but it might be handy to have. Folded up it must be smaller than most ULR's. - FARMERIK
				

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							--- In ultralightdx@..., Antonios Kekalos <akekalos@...> wrote:

I recently purchased the KA33 from Universal Radio. Still playing with it,
but I have found that it does offer an improvement on SW using it with my
KA1103. I have not tried the antenna in the MW switch position yet. When I
first connected everything as described on the back of the box I misread the
diagram and thought I had a dead unit as I detected nothing at all, no
increase in signal strength, noise, anything. Reconfiguring it correctly
made a world of difference.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:01 AM, farmerik <farmerik@...> wrote:



Very interesting Tao Qu. My antenna is labeled as a TG33 and Mediumwave
active loop, but the Universal Radio catalog describes the KA33 as tuning AM
and SW 3.9 to 22 MHz. It only seems to have a single tuning control, and no
band switch to select AM or SW, and with a gap from AM up to 3.9 MHz. it
should have one or the other.

I really don't know what is going on here. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>, "Tao
Qu" <tquchina@> wrote:

de31: sw only
tg33 / ka33: mw only
tg34 / de31ms: mw + sw

_____

From: ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of farmerik
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:54 AM
To: ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK




Universal still sells them as the Kaito 33. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>

yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:


I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? Theantenna
came in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been opened though.I
wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have been checked.Enough
must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com, "dhsatyadhana" <satya@> wrote:

I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago fromUniversal
Radio, and it didn't work at all. It may have been defective, sinceothers
have had luck with them. However, I just returned it and got my moneyback
(less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work frompersonal
experience. It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA



--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:

Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travelantenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED
indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW only
version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this sortof
antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have one,and
if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version,
comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se, butvery
portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK



--
Tony, N4RNI
Traverse City, MI
SWLR-RN072
EN74es

						

Antonios Kekalos <akekalos@...>

#9190

Hanging from the bottom of the loop is a small, heart shaped device that has the SW/MW switch, at least that's how it's configured on the one I just bought.

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On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:43 AM, farmerik <farmerik@...> wrote:

I didn't see a band switch in the Universal Radio diagram, but they might have just used an old illustration. I wouldn't expect this extremely compact for transport loop to be for DXing, but it might be handy to have. Folded up it must be smaller than most ULR's. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@..., Antonios Kekalos wrote:
>
> I recently purchased the KA33 from Universal Radio. Still playing with it,
> but I have found that it does offer an improvement on SW using it with my
> KA1103. I have not tried the antenna in the MW switch position yet. When I
> first connected everything as described on the back of the box I misread the
> diagram and thought I had a dead unit as I detected nothing at all, no
> increase in signal strength, noise, anything. Reconfiguring it correctly
> made a world of difference.
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:01 AM, farmerik wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Very interesting Tao Qu. My antenna is labeled as a TG33 and Mediumwave
> > active loop, but the Universal Radio catalog describes the KA33 as tuning AM
> > and SW 3.9 to 22 MHz. It only seems to have a single tuning control, and no
> > band switch to select AM or SW, and with a gap from AM up to 3.9 MHz. it
> > should have one or the other.
> >
> > I really don't know what is going on here. - FARMERIK
> >
> > --- In ultralightdx@... 40yahoogroups.com>, "Tao
> > Qu" wrote:
> > >
> > > de31: sw only
> > > tg33 / ka33: mw only
> > > tg34 / de31ms: mw + sw
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: ultralightdx@... 40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > ultralightdx@... 40yahoogroups.com>] On
> > > Behalf Of farmerik
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:54 AM
> > > To: ultralightdx@... 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Universal still sells them as the Kaito 33. - FARMERIK
> > >
> > > --- In ultralightdx@ ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com2540yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? The
> > antenna
> > > came in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been opened though.
> > I
> > > wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have been checked.
> > Enough
> > > must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik
> > > >
> > > > --- In ultralightdx@ ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com2540yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > yahoogroups.com, "dhsatyadhana" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago from
> > Universal
> > > Radio, and it didn't work at all. It may have been defective, since
> > others
> > > have had luck with them. However, I just returned it and got my money
> > back
> > > (less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work from
> > personal
> > > experience. It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin S
> > > > > Bainbridge Island, WA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In ultralightdx@ ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com2540yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travel
> > > antenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED
> > > indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW only
> > > version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this sort
> > of
> > > antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have one,
> > and
> > > if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version,
> > > comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
> > > > > > It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se, but
> > very
> > > portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Tony, N4RNI
> Traverse City, MI
> SWLR-RN072
> EN74es
>

--
Tony, N4RNI
Traverse City, MI
SWLR-RN072
EN74es

Tao Qu

#9191

Hi Farmerik,

Actually I am not familiar about the KA33 antenna, but as I know the following is confirmed:

de31: sw only

tg33: mw only

de31ms: mw and sw only

tg34: mw and sw only but have additional testing added in manufacturer side.

Regards,

- Tao Qu

From: ultralightdx@... [mailto:ultralightdx@...] On Behalf Of farmerik
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:02 PM
To: ultralightdx@...
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK

Very interesting Tao Qu. My antenna is labeled as a TG33 and Mediumwave active loop, but the Universal Radio catalog describes the KA33 as tuning AM and SW 3.9 to 22 MHz. It only seems to have a single tuning control, and no band switch to select AM or SW, and with a gap from AM up to 3.9 MHz. it should have one or the other.

I really don't know what is going on here. - FARMERIK

Show quoted text

--- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, "Tao Qu" .> wrote:
>
> de31: sw only
> tg33 / ka33: mw only
> tg34 / de31ms: mw + sw
>
> _____
>
> From: ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of farmerik
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:54 AM
> To: ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK
>
>
>
>
> Universal still sells them as the Kaito 33. - FARMERIK
>
> --- In ultralightdx@ x%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" wrote:
> >
> >
> > I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? The antenna
> came in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been opened though. I
> wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have been checked. Enough
> must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik
> >
> > --- In ultralightdx@ x%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "dhsatyadhana" wrote:
> > >
> > > I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago from Universal
> Radio, and it didn't work at all. It may have been defective, since others
> have had luck with them. However, I just returned it and got my money back
> (less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work from personal
> experience. It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.
> > >
> > > Kevin S
> > > Bainbridge Island, WA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In ultralightdx@ x%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travel
> antenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED
> indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW only
> version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this sort of
> antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have one, and
> if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version,
> comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
> > > > It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se, but very
> portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Rik

#9192

					Mine is clearly labeled MW, and has no switch at the loop like yours.

Another issue is all the 1/8th inch plugs on my TG 33 antenna are stereo, and may not connect well to mono 1/8th inch jacks. My SONY amplified antenna has 1/8th inch stereo jacks too, but the '7600 radio can shut off the amp. All the reel up antennas I have gotten with radios use 1/8th inch mono plugs.

I couldn't find a stereo 1/8th inch patch cord, so I tried connecting my loop for the TG 33 directly to the 1/8th inch antenna input jack on my PL-310 with a mono 1/8th to 1/8th cable. I think it disconnects the whip, but does not get any signal, so it could be the loop assembly which is defective.

I can't think of a radio I have here with an AM antenna input which is 1/8th inch, but a PL-360 is on its way. I could try the amp section on the TERK, and see if that part of my MW only TG 33 works.

- FARMERIK

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							--- In ultralightdx@..., Antonios Kekalos <akekalos@...> wrote:

Hanging from the bottom of the loop is a small, heart shaped device that has
the SW/MW switch, at least that's how it's configured on the one I just
bought.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:43 AM, farmerik <farmerik@...> wrote:



I didn't see a band switch in the Universal Radio diagram, but they might
have just used an old illustration. I wouldn't expect this extremely compact
for transport loop to be for DXing, but it might be handy to have. Folded up
it must be smaller than most ULR's. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>,
Antonios Kekalos <akekalos@> wrote:

I recently purchased the KA33 from Universal Radio. Still playing withit,
but I have found that it does offer an improvement on SW using it with my
KA1103. I have not tried the antenna in the MW switch position yet. WhenI
first connected everything as described on the back of the box I misreadthe
diagram and thought I had a dead unit as I detected nothing at all, no
increase in signal strength, noise, anything. Reconfiguring it correctly
made a world of difference.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:01 AM, farmerik <farmerik@> wrote:



Very interesting Tao Qu. My antenna is labeled as a TG33 and Mediumwave
active loop, but the Universal Radio catalog describes the KA33 astuning AM
and SW 3.9 to 22 MHz. It only seems to have a single tuning control,and no
band switch to select AM or SW, and with a gap from AM up to 3.9 MHz.it
should have one or the other.

I really don't know what is going on here. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com><ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>, "Tao
Qu" <tquchina@> wrote:

de31: sw only
tg33 / ka33: mw only
tg34 / de31ms: mw + sw

_____

From: ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com><ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com><ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of farmerik
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:54 AM
To: ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com><ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK




Universal still sells them as the Kaito 33. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com><ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>

yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:


I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? Theantenna
came in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been openedthough.
I
wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have been checked.Enough
must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com><ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>

yahoogroups.com, "dhsatyadhana" <satya@> wrote:

I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago fromUniversal
Radio, and it didn't work at all. It may have been defective, sinceothers
have had luck with them. However, I just returned it and got my moneyback
(less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work frompersonal
experience. It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA



--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com><ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>

yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:

Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travelantenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED
indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SWonly
version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling thissort
of
antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here haveone,
and
if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version,
comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se,but
very
portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK



--
Tony, N4RNI
Traverse City, MI
SWLR-RN072
EN74es



--
Tony, N4RNI
Traverse City, MI
SWLR-RN072
EN74es

						

Rik

#9193

					Thanks! You are helping sort this all out. - FARMERIK
				

Show quoted text

							--- In ultralightdx@..., "Tao Qu" <tquchina@...> wrote:

Hi Farmerik,

Actually I am not familiar about the KA33 antenna, but as I know the
following is confirmed:
de31: sw only
tg33: mw only
de31ms: mw and sw only
tg34: mw and sw only but have additional testing added in manufacturer side.

Regards,
- Tao Qu

  _____

From: ultralightdx@... [mailto:ultralightdx@...] On
Behalf Of farmerik
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:02 PM
To: ultralightdx@...
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK




Very interesting Tao Qu. My antenna is labeled as a TG33 and Mediumwave
active loop, but the Universal Radio catalog describes the KA33 as tuning AM
and SW 3.9 to 22 MHz. It only seems to have a single tuning control, and no
band switch to select AM or SW, and with a gap from AM up to 3.9 MHz. it
should have one or the other.

I really don't know what is going on here. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "Tao Qu" <tquchina@> wrote:

de31: sw only
tg33 / ka33: mw only
tg34 / de31ms: mw + sw

_____

From: ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com [mailto:ultralightdx@
<mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of farmerik
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:54 AM
To: ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK




Universal still sells them as the Kaito 33. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:


I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? The antennacame in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been opened though. I
wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have been checked.Enough
must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com, "dhsatyadhana" <satya@> wrote:

I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago from UniversalRadio, and it didn't work at all. It may have been defective, since others
have had luck with them. However, I just returned it and got my money back
(less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work frompersonal
experience. It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA



--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:

Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travelantenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED
indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW only
version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this sortof
antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have one,and
if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version,
comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se, butvery
portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK

						

Tao Qu

#9194

Hi Farmerik,

In my image, the 7600 has a very special design on the external antenna input socket, it has the power supply output here to support it's own external antenna (sorry I forgot the model name), so the degen loop antenna may will not works on it...

Hope this information is helpful..

Regards,

- Tao Qu

From: ultralightdx@... [mailto:ultralightdx@...] On Behalf Of farmerik
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:52 PM
To: ultralightdx@...
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK

Mine is clearly labeled MW, and has no switch at the loop like yours.

Another issue is all the 1/8th inch plugs on my TG 33 antenna are stereo, and may not connect well to mono 1/8th inch jacks. My SONY amplified antenna has 1/8th inch stereo jacks too, but the '7600 radio can shut off the amp. All the reel up antennas I have gotten with radios use 1/8th inch mono plugs.

I couldn't find a stereo 1/8th inch patch cord, so I tried connecting my loop for the TG 33 directly to the 1/8th inch antenna input jack on my PL-310 with a mono 1/8th to 1/8th cable. I think it disconnects the whip, but does not get any signal, so it could be the loop assembly which is defective.

I can't think of a radio I have here with an AM antenna input which is 1/8th inch, but a PL-360 is on its way. I could try the amp section on the TERK, and see if that part of my MW only TG 33 works.

- FARMERIK

Show quoted text

--- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, Antonios Kekalos .> wrote:
>
> Hanging from the bottom of the loop is a small, heart shaped device that has
> the SW/MW switch, at least that's how it's configured on the one I just
> bought.
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:43 AM, farmerik .> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I didn't see a band switch in the Universal Radio diagram, but they might
> > have just used an old illustration. I wouldn't expect this extremely compact
> > for transport loop to be for DXing, but it might be handy to have. Folded up
> > it must be smaller than most ULR's. - FARMERIK
> >
> > --- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Antonios Kekalos wrote:
> > >
> > > I recently purchased the KA33 from Universal Radio. Still playing with
> > it,
> > > but I have found that it does offer an improvement on SW using it with my
> > > KA1103. I have not tried the antenna in the MW switch position yet. When
> > I
> > > first connected everything as described on the back of the box I misread
> > the
> > > diagram and thought I had a dead unit as I detected nothing at all, no
> > > increase in signal strength, noise, anything. Reconfiguring it correctly
> > > made a world of difference.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:01 AM, farmerik wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Very interesting Tao Qu. My antenna is labeled as a TG33 and Mediumwave
> > > > active loop, but the Universal Radio catalog describes the KA33 as
> > tuning AM
> > > > and SW 3.9 to 22 MHz. It only seems to have a single tuning control,
> > and no
> > > > band switch to select AM or SW, and with a gap from AM up to 3.9 MHz.
> > it
> > > > should have one or the other.
> > > >
> > > > I really don't know what is going on here. - FARMERIK
> > > >
> > > > --- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>x%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Tao
> > > > Qu" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > de31: sw only
> > > > > tg33 / ka33: mw only
> > > > > tg34 / de31ms: mw + sw
> > > > >
> > > > > _____
> > > > >
> > > > > From: ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>x%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> > > > ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>x%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>] On
> > > > > Behalf Of farmerik
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:54 AM
> > > > > To: ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>x%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Universal still sells them as the Kaito 33. - FARMERIK
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In ultralightdx@ x%40yahoogroups.com%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > 2540yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? The
> > > > antenna
> > > > > came in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been opened
> > though.
> > > > I
> > > > > wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have been checked.
> > > > Enough
> > > > > must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In ultralightdx@ x%40yahoogroups.com%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > 2540yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > yahoogroups.com, "dhsatyadhana" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago from
> > > > Universal
> > > > > Radio, and it didn't work at all. It may have been defective, since
> > > > others
> > > > > have had luck with them. However, I just returned it and got my money
> > > > back
> > > > > (less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work from
> > > > personal
> > > > > experience. It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kevin S
> > > > > > > Bainbridge Island, WA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In ultralightdx@ x%40yahoogroups.com%2540yahoogroups.com>
> > 2540yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding loop travel
> > > > > antenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light the LED
> > > > > indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SW
> > only
> > > > > version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still selling this
> > sort
> > > > of
> > > > > antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here have
> > one,
> > > > and
> > > > > if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SW version,
> > > > > comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
> > > > > > > > It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se,
> > but
> > > > very
> > > > > portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tony, N4RNI
> > > Traverse City, MI
> > > SWLR-RN072
> > > EN74es
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Tony, N4RNI
> Traverse City, MI
> SWLR-RN072
> EN74es
>

Rik

#9196

					Yes, thanks. I didn't expect the DEGEN to work with the SONY, I just mentioned it because I noticed it also had stereo 1/8th inch plugs.

I realized the TG 33 came with a long stereo cable, so I tried that on the PL-310, connecting the loop directly without the TG 33 amp unit.

 The 310's slow refreshing signal strength/ S/N ratio read out tried my patience. I switched to my PL-600 so I could see a quickly responding signal strength meter.

Tuned to a weak SW station,  when I touched the tip of the 1/8th inch plug to the extended whip antenna OR to the ring on the SW antenna jack, I got a big increase in signal with back round noise. I tried plugging it in, and I think it did disconnect the whip and give some improvement part way inserted. When plugged in all the way, both the signal and the noise went away. Thinking of how my 4 foot loop acts on some radios, I tried increasing the volume control, and now I had a clear signal, with no noise at all!

I will definitely fiddle with this move when I have the time. I think the purpose of this sort of antenna is for electrically noisy or shielded rooms, and set up at a window, it allows reception.

Thanks for everyones help, this is interesting! - FARMERIK

Show quoted text

							--- In ultralightdx@..., "Tao Qu" <tquchina@...> wrote:

Hi Farmerik,

In my image, the 7600 has a very special design on the external antenna
input socket, it has the power supply output here to support it's own
external antenna (sorry I forgot the model name), so the degen loop antenna
may will not works on it...

Hope this information is helpful..

Regards,
- Tao Qu

  _____  

From: ultralightdx@... [mailto:ultralightdx@...] On
Behalf Of farmerik
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:52 PM
To: ultralightdx@...
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK





Mine is clearly labeled MW, and has no switch at the loop like yours.

Another issue is all the 1/8th inch plugs on my TG 33 antenna are stereo,
and may not connect well to mono 1/8th inch jacks. My SONY amplified antenna
has 1/8th inch stereo jacks too, but the '7600 radio can shut off the amp.
All the reel up antennas I have gotten with radios use 1/8th inch mono
plugs.

I couldn't find a stereo 1/8th inch patch cord, so I tried connecting my
loop for the TG 33 directly to the 1/8th inch antenna input jack on my
PL-310 with a mono 1/8th to 1/8th cable. I think it disconnects the whip,
but does not get any signal, so it could be the loop assembly which is
defective.

I can't think of a radio I have here with an AM antenna input which is 1/8th
inch, but a PL-360 is on its way. I could try the amp section on the TERK,
and see if that part of my MW only TG 33 works.

- FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, Antonios Kekalos <akekalos@> wrote:

Hanging from the bottom of the loop is a small, heart shaped device thathas
the SW/MW switch, at least that's how it's configured on the one I just
bought.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:43 AM, farmerik <farmerik@> wrote:



I didn't see a band switch in the Universal Radio diagram, but theymight
have just used an old illustration. I wouldn't expect this extremelycompact
for transport loop to be for DXing, but it might be handy to have.Folded up
it must be smaller than most ULR's. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>,
Antonios Kekalos <akekalos@> wrote:

I recently purchased the KA33 from Universal Radio. Still playing withit,
but I have found that it does offer an improvement on SW using it withmy
KA1103. I have not tried the antenna in the MW switch position yet.When
I
first connected everything as described on the back of the box Imisread
the
diagram and thought I had a dead unit as I detected nothing at all, no
increase in signal strength, noise, anything. Reconfiguring itcorrectly
made a world of difference.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:01 AM, farmerik <farmerik@> wrote:



Very interesting Tao Qu. My antenna is labeled as a TG33 andMediumwave
active loop, but the Universal Radio catalog describes the KA33 astuning AM
and SW 3.9 to 22 MHz. It only seems to have a single tuning control,and no
band switch to select AM or SW, and with a gap from AM up to 3.9MHz.
it
should have one or the other.

I really don't know what is going on here. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com><ultralightdx%
40yahoogroups.com>, "Tao
Qu" <tquchina@> wrote:

de31: sw only
tg33 / ka33: mw only
tg34 / de31ms: mw + sw

_____

From: ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com><ultralightdx%
40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com><ultralightdx%
40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of farmerik
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:54 AM
To: ultralightdx@ <mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com><ultralightdx%
40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DEGEN 'window' loop? - FARMERIK




Universal still sells them as the Kaito 33. - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@<mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>
<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>

yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:


I thought Universal checked radios before shipping them out? Theantenna
came in a bubble pak, which you could tell if it had been openedthough.
I
wonder if any of the ones shipped from China would have beenchecked.
Enough
must work, or no one would still sell them. - Rik

--- In ultralightdx@<mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>
<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>

yahoogroups.com, "dhsatyadhana" <satya@> wrote:

I bought one of the MW/SW models about a year or so ago fromUniversal
Radio, and it didn't work at all. It may have been defective,since
others
have had luck with them. However, I just returned it and got mymoney
back
(less shipping, natch...), so I don't know how well they work frompersonal
experience. It's a neat idea at a great price point, though.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA



--- In ultralightdx@<mailto:ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>
<ultralightdx%2540yahoogroups.com>

yahoogroups.com, "farmerik" <farmerik@> wrote:

Several years ago I bought an AM only DEGEN folding looptravel
antenna. It seemed to do absolutely nothing other than light theLED
indicator when I turned it on, so I figured it was defective. A SWonly
version was also offered. I just noticed DEGEN is still sellingthis
sort
of
antenna, but now one model covers AM and SW. Does anyone here haveone,
and
if so how does it work? Radio Intel did a review of the SWversion,
comparing it to the similar SONY 'window' amplified loop antenna.
It might be interesting on the PL-360, not for DXing per se,but
very
portable for use on mountain top picnics. - FARMERIK



--
Tony, N4RNI
Traverse City, MI
SWLR-RN072
EN74es



--
Tony, N4RNI
Traverse City, MI
SWLR-RN072
EN74es

						