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1 - 10 of 10
DT-200VX vs.E100 Comments
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John H. Bryant <bjohnorcas@...>
Two days ago, Paul Weiss and I had a brief
private exchange related to the DT-200VX and the E100. Paul was kind
enough to allow me to post the relevant parts here. John Bryant
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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:46 PM, John H. Bryant < bjohnorcas@...> wrote:
Yes, Paul, the E100 was accepted by the Committee as an Ultralight. I believe that it is the only digitally-dialed ULR with one kHz tuning steps... Very handy for slight off-tuning, of course. It is certainly acceptable for the Barefoot Class for Records and Awards. Since the E100 is no longer part of the Eton Line, I'd guess that the availability of them on Ebay, new-in-box, is very finite. John Bryant
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kg4ruw <p_weiss@...>
I would like to thank John, Gary, Rob and George for answering my
questions. The answer to these questions lead me to buy the Eton E100. I could not be happier with my new radio. I paid about $40.00 from Fry's. I was looking for a digital radio that I could use for the ULr Sprints, use for MW DX every night as I fall asleep and take with me when I travel (so I needed a small battery powered radio with no external antennas). My other ULr is a Sony SRF-59. While I really like the 59, I wanted a digital radio to better compete. In the Sprints I feel that for the barefoot class you should not have to use a spotting radio. The E100 is more than capable of being used stand alone for any Sprint. If you look at the last Sprint, it was a Sony SRF-T615 that won the barefoot class and a Sangean DT-200VX (modified with a booster bar) in the Unlimited class. I wanted a radio that I could use barefoot with the qualities of both the 615 and 200. I think I found it in the E100 at a cost below either radio. Thank you, Paul --- In ultralightdx@..., "John H. Bryant" <bjohnorcas@...> wrote: photo. I am looking at a simple digital ULr to run barefoot.I really think that the one to get is the Eton E100. They are still
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John H. Bryant <bjohnorcas@...>
Great, Paul... Glad that you like the E100. I
now own FOUR!!! (Well, one is a broken "parts" set.)
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If you ever get interested in tinkering with this little gems, the E100 is perfect and easy to hot rod in a number of different ways. Gary DeB, Guy A and I are going crazy doing all sorts of semi-obscene things to our E100s. We are planning a series of two page "How-To" articles to start in the early Fall./ Personally, I'm convinced that the E100 will be the Ultralight Digital Classic, just like the SRF-39 family is for the analog sets. Glad that you took the plunge! John B.
At 02:06 PM 6/19/2008 +0000, you wrote:
I would like to thank John, Gary, Rob and George for answering my
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Rob Moore <rmoore5@...>
Hi John,
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Along with an SRF-39FP, I also have an E100 and have to say that it's a great little radio! I like the digital tuning and the 9Khz/10Khz modes. I'll be interested to see your hot-rodding "How to" pages when you get them up on the web. Rob "John H. Bryant" wrote:
Great, Paul... Glad that you like the E100. I now own FOUR!!! (Well, one is a broken "parts" set.)
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Hello Paul (and John, Rob and others),
I'm glad you enjoy using your new E100, Paul. The
200 memories and 1 kHz digital tuning steps give this model an edge over other
Ultralights, as proven by John's reception of multiple DU's, while hooking it up
to his Wellbrook array at Grayland. Even for casual DXers, it
has many superb capabilities.
The E100 just barely missed the cutoff for the
2008 Ultralight Radio AM-DX Shootout (published on dxer.ca in February), so its
relative capabilities were not closely investigated at that time. Because
of that, and because other capable Ultralight models have been "discovered"
since February, a "Midsummer Ultralight AM-DX Shootout" is seriously being
considered (if there is sufficient interest). This would compare the
E100 and other new "contenders" with the top models from the February
shootout (SRF-39FP/59, DT-200VX, SRF-T615, DT-210V, etc.) in the same format as
the February shootout, now posted on dxer.ca. What do you guys
think?
John is correct in that 3 Washington state
tinkering fanatics are making 3 different E100 hot-rodding designs in 3
different, bizarre ways. May the more reasonable, mainstream Ultralight
enthusiast group have mercy on us.
73, Gary Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.
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Dennis Gibson <wb6tnb@...>
Does anyone here own both an E100 and an E10? I bought a refurb E10
for $30.00 (that's not a misprint) from Fry's and am quite happy with it; especially with the IF shift feature. From what I'm reading they must be about the same on MW. Mine's not as quite sensitive as my unaligned SRF-39FP and 59 (Gary currently has both) or Kaito KA1103. The E10 is too big to qualify as an ultralight. I wouldn't pay list price ($130.00) for an E10. --- In ultralightdx@..., "kg4ruw" <p_weiss@...> wrote: Fry's.
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Hi Dennis,
I have owned a E10 for a while, and today received a couple of E100s that were display models (got 'em for a song). I believe John Bryant has the E10 too..and we both have the big brother Eton E1. I also got my E10 from Fry's for $30, and I really like the IF shift feature, mainly because it means there is a 455 kHz filter inside, easily swapped out for a narrower, better filter! So many of the small portables these days have the tough to find 450 kHz IF filters. So far I've been happy with the stock performance of the E10 on MW, but its somewhat behind the DE1103. 73, Guy Original Message: ----------------- From: Dennis Gibson wb6tnb@... Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:31:48 -0000 To: ultralightdx@... Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: DT-200VX vs.E100 Comments Does anyone here own both an E100 and an E10? I bought a refurb E10 for $30.00 (that's not a misprint) from Fry's and am quite happy with it; especially with the IF shift feature. From what I'm reading they must be about the same on MW. Mine's not as quite sensitive as my unaligned SRF-39FP and 59 (Gary currently has both) or Kaito KA1103. The E10 is too big to qualify as an ultralight. I wouldn't pay list price ($130.00) for an E10. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail
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MarkWA1ION
I too went for the E100 deal from Fry's (price a bit over $40).
My house interior is so riddled with RF digi-hash that I couldn't really give it a fair sensitivity test yet. I'll have to take it outdoors during the day over the weekend. I have also noted the 1 kHz high readout quirk. A station on 1030 sounds best on 1031. Furthermore, selectivity seems sharper on the lower side of an AM signal than when you go higher in frequency. Roll-off 2 kHz below the apparent center occurs about as you would expect it: the higher frequency audio gets scratchy and splatter- like. But going 3 kHz above apparent center, perfectly readable audio can still be had. At some point (about 2 kHz above center) it actually sounds more muffled and bassy rather than the expected scratchy / trebly sound that typically occurs when you tune to the side of an AM signal. This just seems weird to me and makes me think that something besides the center frequency readout accuracy needs to be aligned. In general I think the receiver has possibilities and, since I have a number of other ultralight and semi-light portables, I'd consider it a good "guinea pig" to send out to Gary to have him rework for a larger external ferrite rod and to do whatever other magic he may wish to perform (for a fair price) to turn this thing into a DX machine capable of beating a stock Sony ICF-2010 or ICF-S5W, at least in the sensitivity department. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA, USA << Hello Paul (and John, Rob and others), I'm glad you enjoy using your new E100, Paul. The 200 memories and 1 kHz digital tuning steps give this model an edge over other Ultralights, as proven by John's reception of multiple DU's, while hooking it up to his Wellbrook array at Grayland. Even for casual DXers, it has many superb capabilities. The E100 just barely missed the cutoff for the 2008 Ultralight Radio AM-DX Shootout (published on dxer.ca in February), so its relative capabilities were not closely investigated at that time. Because of that, and because other capable Ultralight models have been "discovered" since February, a "Midsummer Ultralight AM-DX Shootout" is seriously being considered (if there is sufficient interest). This would compare the E100 and other new "contenders" with the top models from the February shootout (SRF-39FP/59, DT- 200VX, SRF-T615, DT-210V, etc.) in the same format as the February shootout, now posted on dxer.ca. What do you guys think? John is correct in that 3 Washington state tinkering fanatics are making 3 different E100 hot-rodding designs in 3 different, bizarre ways. May the more reasonable, mainstream Ultralight enthusiast group have mercy on us. 73, Gary
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Mark and Others,
E100 experimentation here has already produced
models significantly more sensitive than a stock 2010, but we (John, Guy and I)
are attempting to create radios with both sensitivity and selectivity
improvements, which will be capable of receiving multiple DU's on ocean beaches
this summer.
Receiving DU's on Ultralights is a tough
challenge, because not only are signal levels generally weak, but the
directional bearings are usually in-line with Seattle and Vancouver adjacent
QRM, making it impossible to null the locals. It's almost the same
situation as you described a few months ago, referring to QRM from NYC and
other semi-locals, as you chase TA's in Massachusetts-- only in this case,
the DX is much weaker. John was able to log multiple DU's at Grayland with
his directional Wellbrook array hooked up to an E100, but for stock
Ultralights, the DU action has been rare indeed. Last Sunday at Grayland I
was able to barely hear audio on 738-Tahiti on an SRF-T615, and on April 20th,
had unID audio on 531 looping in the DU direction. But the tinkerers
here in WA are looking for a lot more than that, hi.
In about a month or so, Mark, it should be clear
how successful we will be, in creating the "Ultimate DXpedition
Ultralight." Assuming there is progress, I would be happy to modify an
E100 for you, although it would be primarily for fun, not $$. We hope
many more highly successful DXpeditioners like yourself will take up the
challenge of Ultralight TA chasing, especially if the E100 can be
hot-rodded into a "dream machine."
73, Gary
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MarkWA1ION
I am willing to send my E100 out there to Gary for whatever
alignments and antenna super-sizing experiments he may wish to try. Presumably I could get back a seriously-hotrodded ultralight DX machine by September or so, perhaps for a modification cost in the sub-$100 range. But we can work out that detail later and, of course, if the performance is truly jaw-dropping, price would be less critical. Mark Connelly, WA1ION - Billerica, MA << Mark and Others, E100 experimentation here has already produced models significantly more sensitive than a stock 2010, but we (John, Guy and I) are attempting to create radios with both sensitivity and selectivity improvements, which will be capable of receiving multiple DU's on ocean beaches this summer. Receiving DU's on Ultralights is a tough challenge, because not only are signal levels generally weak, but the directional bearings are usually in-line with Seattle and Vancouver adjacent QRM, making it impossible to null the locals. It's almost the same situation as you described a few months ago, referring to QRM from NYC and other semi-locals, as you chase TA's in Massachusetts-- only in this case, the DX is much weaker. John was able to log multiple DU's at Grayland with his directional Wellbrook array hooked up to an E100, but for stock Ultralights, the DU action has been rare indeed. Last Sunday at Grayland I was able to barely hear audio on 738-Tahiti on an SRF-T615, and on April 20th, had unID audio on 531 looping in the DU direction. But the tinkerers here in WA are looking for a lot more than that, hi. In about a month or so, Mark, it should be clear how successful we will be, in creating the "Ultimate DXpedition Ultralight." Assuming there is progress, I would be happy to modify an E100 for you, although it would be primarily for fun, not $$. We hope many more highly successful DXpeditioners like yourself will take up the challenge of Ultralight TA chasing, especially if the E100 can be hot- rodded into a "dream machine." 73, Gary
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