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Re: DXing while away? Unattended Recording

FenDrifter
 

There’s some very interesting observations here, that being a beginner in this game have sparked more interest. I have several high quality recorders in the house but it just never occurred to me to use one in this way 🤭


Re: DXing while away? Unattended Recording

Marc Coevoet
 

Op 28/01/2022 om 15:28 schreef Tony Germanotta:
This is a common technique, especially on the graveyard channels, hyper local frequencies with a mashup of low power stations that wax and wane by the minute.  The new computer- based SDR radios even record a swath of the entire band so you can go back and “tune in” various stations later.
I used Shazam, song recognition, on a really weak noisy AM signal. I could not recognise, Shazam did! (I have to admit, a was a 50s song I did not know ;-)



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Re: Eton/Grundig Elite Mini - Initial Observations

FenDrifter
 

Hey Jay
That’s some serious information! Very many thanks for posting, and I’m sure Johnny will be well pleased!
Drifter


Re: DXing while away? Unattended Recording

Tony Germanotta
 

This is a common technique, especially on the graveyard channels, hyper local frequencies with a mashup of low power stations that wax and wane by the minute.  The new computer- based SDR radios even record a swath of the entire band so you can go back and “tune in” various stations later. 

Like you, I don’t really enjoy that kind of listening. As the tube guys used to say, real radios glow in the dark. There is something special about spinning an analog dial and catching something new without even being sure the exact frequency you are on. 

 But I have often run a recorder while hunting for a difficult catch, and gone back later to see if I could pick out a station ID by replaying the tape or using band pass filters or other audio editing tricks to clear out interference or highlight the audio I wanted to hear. 

If you get a recorder with a counter on it, you just make a note where on the track the interesting audio is and go back when the band dies to see what you can gleen. 

If you don’t keep track, though, you’ll be listening to it all again. That’s something I had to learn when using a recorder for interviews as a reporter. On deadline, you don’t have the time to be searching for that special quote. 

It’s amazing sometimes what you can hear when you have time, can fiddle with tone controls, and aren’t caught by surprise. 

You might still be unable to clear up an ID but instead discover a commercial you had ignored that identifies the town where the broadcast originated. That, plus the frequency, can often be enough to log a new station.

 And the tape can often convince that station to send you a QSL card or email, should you be into verifications. 

Good luck. For me, the joy is in the hunt. I never chased QSLs or awards. The magic of a distant signal popping up in my room is enough reward.


On Jan 28, 2022, at 8:56 AM, Johnny via groups.io <jlochey@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Does anyone "sit" on a difficult frequency and record it for a time (while away/overnight, etc) and then go back and listen for any "DX" within that recording?

Or do you prefer to "hear it live" ?  I'm curious as I have never recorded a frequency and then went back to listen to it. 

I'm specifically thinking about the difficult frequencies on my AM dial where reception is very hard to pick out/discern.

I would think that this would make DX'ing easier and certainly up your "total frequencies heard", but I'm not sure if it would be for me or not.

Was wondering if others liked this technique?


Johnny


Re: Eton/Grundig Elite Mini - Initial Observations

radiojayallen
 

Here's a list of undocumented features:

Though not specified in the manual, the Time, Hour, and Min buttons have dual functions to aid in tuning and controlling the display. This will not charge batteries internally. You will get stereo FM thru a set of headphones or earbuds, and this is shown in the display when "Stereo" comes up. I do not think there is a way to set it to mono. 
 
With the power off, the Hour key cycles the intensity of the Backlight settings, and you can make the display stay on with the power off. The minutes button toggles the MW tuning steps between 9 and 10 KHz. 
 
In shortwave, the Time button will cycle up thru the SW bands, while the min and hrs buttons act like slewing keys and will either single step 5 KHz up or down on short presses, and will seek on longer presses. 
 
In AM, the time button will act like a step up in frequency button 100 KHz. It will not seek. The min and hrs buttons again act like slewing keys and will step up or down 10 KHz, or a long press for seek, up or down. 
 
In FM, the time button will step up 1 MHz, and the min and hrs buttons are again slewing keys , with steps up/down of 100 KHz and a long press for seek up or down. 
 
Most display are to 2 decimal points, but in shortwave, this extends to 3 decimal points on odd (5) frequencies. 


DXing while away? Unattended Recording

Johnny
 

Hi all,

Does anyone "sit" on a difficult frequency and record it for a time (while away/overnight, etc) and then go back and listen for any "DX" within that recording?

Or do you prefer to "hear it live" ?  I'm curious as I have never recorded a frequency and then went back to listen to it. 

I'm specifically thinking about the difficult frequencies on my AM dial where reception is very hard to pick out/discern.

I would think that this would make DX'ing easier and certainly up your "total frequencies heard", but I'm not sure if it would be for me or not.

Was wondering if others liked this technique?


Johnny


Re: Welcome to All New Members

Johnny
 

Not using that one, but I remember it!

I used to be in electronic sales (retail) in 1994 and we used to sell this one!

GREAT, quality radio!

Welcome by the way.  :)


Johnny


Re: 1449 Saudi Arabia and 1152 Romania received indoors XHDATA D-808

Johnny
 

So cool!

Good work!

J


Re: 1449 Saudi Arabia and 1152 Romania received indoors XHDATA D-808

Paul Blundell
 

Nice logging Peter.


1449 Saudi Arabia and 1152 Romania received indoors XHDATA D-808

Peter 1956 <pe1etr@...>
 

First time to try portable radio DX inside the new house.
Mobile phone footage. Barefoot portable radio. Captions on the video. 28th Jan 2022.
https://youtu.be/pcnovkkB1hk
Peter Wilson


Re: Welcome to All New Members

Dirk
 

New in this group too.
Just learning and reading actually.
I want to start with my old GRUNDIG Ocean Boy 340:
https://magnathifimuseum.wordpress.com/2019/10/18/grundig-ocean-boy-340/
Anyone still using this radio?


Re: [irca] AM Radio In Alaska

Paul B. Walker, Jr.
 

I have 2 5" FSL antennas and they do just that.. one can do reception and one can null.  The 5" FSL's out perform box loops 3-4 feet in size.

I didnt want to totally null things out in this case, to show an example of what I heard as I heard it

Paul


On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 10:40 AM Rick Kunath via groups.io <k9ao=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Paul,

I wonder if a 4-foot box loop (box not spiral, i.e. the NRC design)
would let you null that offending station? You should be able to do that
using a combination of rotation in azimuth and tilting in elevation,
then back and forth to get the null deep enough to take them out. Back
when I had strong locals I was able to do that using that loop. You ahve
to be careful to get the loop balance just right. That's not hard to do
if you follow the directions. And then you get a good really deep null.

It might be worth a try and you'd have another tool.

Have you tried tilting and rotating the FSL at all? Assuming the
internal loopstick on the portable doesn't get any of the offending
station. Otherwise nulling is harder. I would think that would work the
same way an air-core loop does. I know the ferrite bar loops I built
back in the day worked that way.

Rick Kunath, K9AO






Re: [irca] AM Radio In Alaska

Rick Kunath
 

Paul,

I wonder if a 4-foot box loop (box not spiral, i.e. the NRC design) would let you null that offending station? You should be able to do that using a combination of rotation in azimuth and tilting in elevation, then back and forth to get the null deep enough to take them out. Back when I had strong locals I was able to do that using that loop. You ahve to be careful to get the loop balance just right. That's not hard to do if you follow the directions. And then you get a good really deep null.

It might be worth a try and you'd have another tool.

Have you tried tilting and rotating the FSL at all? Assuming the internal loopstick on the portable doesn't get any of the offending station. Otherwise nulling is harder. I would think that would work the same way an air-core loop does. I know the ferrite bar loops I built back in the day worked that way.

Rick Kunath, K9AO


AM Radio In Alaska

Paul B. Walker, Jr.
 

I've shared my DX clips from well outside Alaska, but I wanted to show just how far AM's in Alaska carry and how good the signals can be.

Thought you'd like to hear these clips. I've heard ALL AM's in Alaska, but one.. KTKN 930 which is blocked by KNSA 930 Unalakleet here, only 180 miels away with 5KW non directional 24/7

KZPA 900 Fort Yukon, Alaska isnt owned by KSKO, but simulcasts us a good portion of the day. 5KW Non D from 350 miles away NE of us . I recorded this clip this morning during the KSKO morning show. 6khz audio on my radio, STL is a 128K stereo mp3 stream. Audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NhLxMAtt_NnkbWsWPKbnQkyhfZAnNM8s/view?usp=sharing

KLAM 1450 is 250 watts from about 350 miles away, SE of us.  The whine/het you hear is from Iran with 400kw. KLAM is owned by a guy who is the morning news anchor for a Fairbanks TV station and he's originally from Cordova.  Audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14tsJFnYQIiH7ST1MCRttB3rhKnl_K4mP/view?usp=sharing

KCAM-AM 790 Glennallen, Alaska. 5KW Non D 24/7 from about 320 miles away. Audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K75qEVUyN_XaS0Sk8WFs3K6M2KHKKgf9/view?usp=sharing

KCHU-AM 770 Valdez, Alaska 10KW Non D 24/7 from about 315 miles away. Audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zp4_ctOBuXKIw3tBpn-DfogWvp7wG_6Z/view?usp=sharing


Location: McGrath, Alaska

Radio: CCrane Skywave Non SSB Model

Antenna: DeBock 5" FSL tunable AM "loop"


Re: Eton/Grundig Elite Mini - Initial Observations

FenDrifter
 

Hi Johnny 
Many thanks for that. I’m guessing it doesn’t tune more finely, but we may find out 🙂.
Drifter


Re: Eton/Grundig Elite Mini - Initial Observations

Johnny
 

Hi Drifter,

The "Mini" tunes in 10/9KHZ steps as far as I can tell...  There is a simple button to switch between, aptly labeled "9/10khz".

... looking at the manual I'm not seeing this button or it's use mentioned at all in regards to switching between 9khz and 10khz (the button does however also adjust the alarm and the alarm function gets lots of attention in the manual)...

Anyone else please chime in if you know of a way to tune in finer "steps"...


Johnny


Re: Farthest US DX logging so far in 2022 - Eton Elite Mini

Paul B. Walker, Jr.
 


My 13,000km record belongs to 7ZR 936 Hobart, Tasmania, Australia 10kw heard here in alaska

My 7000km record is XEW 900 Mexico City heard here in alaska


On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 4:17 AM Johnny via groups.io <jlochey=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Paul B,

Wow, very nice and quite respectable!  :)

Hi Isaac,

Totally understand, my DX time is limited too!


Hi Paul W,

Whoa!  That is serious distance!  I'm not sure I'll ever see those kind of distances!  LOL!



Johnny


Re: Farthest US DX logging so far in 2022 - Eton Elite Mini

Johnny
 

Hi Paul B,

Wow, very nice and quite respectable!  :)

Hi Isaac,

Totally understand, my DX time is limited too!


Hi Paul W,

Whoa!  That is serious distance!  I'm not sure I'll ever see those kind of distances!  LOL!



Johnny


Re: Farthest US DX logging so far in 2022 - Eton Elite Mini

Paul B. Walker, Jr.
 

My all time worldwide record is 13,000km. My all time North America record is about 7000km

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 4:31 PM Issac Quincey via groups.io <IssacQuincey=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I am sitting at 900km. I have not been able to give it the time I want to.

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On Wednesday, January 26th, 2022 at 4:46 PM, Paul Blundell <tanger32au@...> wrote:
Nice loggings Johnny, my record for 2022 is about 1900km.


Re: Farthest US DX logging so far in 2022 - Eton Elite Mini

Issac Quincey
 

I am sitting at 900km. I have not been able to give it the time I want to.

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On Wednesday, January 26th, 2022 at 4:46 PM, Paul Blundell <tanger32au@...> wrote:

Nice loggings Johnny, my record for 2022 is about 1900km.