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Re: Guy Atkin's Independent Testing of PL-380 7.5" Loopstick

Tony Germanotta
 

Some of the old NRC box loop designs worked up by Gordon Nelson and such got around that difficult-to-tune problem with a Q-spoiler. A 1 Meg variable resistor placed across the tuned circuit that you dialed in to essentially wreck the Q so you could tune in a broad frequency, and then adjusted back to the amount of Q you needed for the situation at hand. I have one on my 4-foot box and it does help sometimes. And this way you don't have to sacrifice Q for tuneability. I'm sure the extra circuit does something to reduce the ultimate Q possible, but sometimes the ultimate isn't the best, I've found. With some signals you need the most gain possible, in other cases, less gain is OK so long as you get better null. The Q-spoiler is such a simple, cheap addition it's worth a try. And you can always wire in a switch to take it entirely out of the loop, so to speak.

Mark Connelly knows much more about this than I do, though. Maybe he or some others who did all the real research on these antennas want to weigh in. 



On Feb 11, 2010, at 12:14 PM, jim_kr1s wrote:

 

Ralph,

Thanks for all the info.

--- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, "Pollock,Raphael E" wrote:
>
> It might be neat to see if Stormwise would be able to fabricate longer and/or thicker ferrite bars--i am very happy with this antenna. i might mention that an article about monster ferrite bar antennas I found in the Ultralight files section, John Bryant co-author, gave me much stimulus to build my contraption. It has much sharper Q than a glued together 24"er that i made from Amidon 7.5" bars a number of years ago. Happy to address any questions...

Ferrite rods are non-conductive, so gluing them together end-to-end should give results similar to a solid rod of the same length. There may be other variations between the mixtures used in the two samples. It would be worth trying two Stormwise rods glued together. Signal strengths might only increase 3 dB, but the null could be fantastic.

Works I've cited in other posts indicate that rod thickness has little effect on inductance, and not a great effect on Q. You've probably gotten nearly as much Q as it's possible to obtain, just by using Litz wire. Q varies across the band depending on the gap between the winding and the core. See the Ben Tongue paper for more on this. Changing the LC ratio could work, too, but suitable capacitors are hard to find. In a regenerative receiver  I paralleled three, 365-pF sections and added some fixed C, to reduce the LC ratio, which was desirable in this application.

The MW band is so wide, it's hard to get one inductor to work optimally across it, in any application. You might experiment with different coils for high and low frequencies, or even use three. Not as handy for tuning up and down the band, but I think it would be worth trying.

Of course, you reach a point where increased Q makes the antenna harder to tune because the peak is so narrow. I could live with that! If you really want to boost Q, try making a regenerative preamp in which the antenna is the tuned circuit. I believe Kiwa or Crane had one. Now you're looking at Qs in the tens of thousands! Even with some damping resistance my regen will clip the sidebands of an AM signal. I've coupled from its tank into a ULR, but mostly it's been more trouble than it was worth, given the inherent selectivity of the PL-380. The increase in gain is sometimes useful, though.

73,

Jim, KR1S
http://qrp.kearman.com/ 



Re: Guy Atkin's Independent Testing of PL-380 7.5" Loopstick

jim_kr1s <jkearman@...>
 

Ralph,

Thanks for all the info.


--- In ultralightdx@..., "Pollock,Raphael E" wrote:
>
> It might be neat to see if Stormwise would be able to fabricate longer and/or thicker ferrite bars--i am very happy with this antenna. i might mention that an article about monster ferrite bar antennas I found in the Ultralight files section, John Bryant co-author, gave me much stimulus to build my contraption. It has much sharper Q than a glued together 24"er that i made from Amidon 7.5" bars a number of years ago. Happy to address any questions...

Ferrite rods are non-conductive, so gluing them together end-to-end should give results similar to a solid rod of the same length. There may be other variations between the mixtures used in the two samples. It would be worth trying two Stormwise rods glued together. Signal strengths might only increase 3 dB, but the null could be fantastic.

Works I've cited in other posts indicate that rod thickness has little effect on inductance, and not a great effect on Q. You've probably gotten nearly as much Q as it's possible to obtain, just by using Litz wire. Q varies across the band depending on the gap between the winding and the core. See the Ben Tongue paper for more on this. Changing the LC ratio could work, too, but suitable capacitors are hard to find. In a regenerative receiver  I paralleled three, 365-pF sections and added some fixed C, to reduce the LC ratio, which was desirable in this application.

The MW band is so wide, it's hard to get one inductor to work optimally across it, in any application. You might experiment with different coils for high and low frequencies, or even use three. Not as handy for tuning up and down the band, but I think it would be worth trying.

Of course, you reach a point where increased Q makes the antenna harder to tune because the peak is so narrow. I could live with that! If you really want to boost Q, try making a regenerative preamp in which the antenna is the tuned circuit. I believe Kiwa or Crane had one. Now you're looking at Qs in the tens of thousands! Even with some damping resistance my regen will clip the sidebands of an AM signal. I've coupled from its tank into a ULR, but mostly it's been more trouble than it was worth, given the inherent selectivity of the PL-380. The increase in gain is sometimes useful, though.

73,

Jim, KR1S
http://qrp.kearman.com/ 


Re: Guy Atkin's Independent Testing of PL-380 7.5" Loopstick

Pollock,Raphael E <rpollock@...>
 

I have a 27" Stormwise center wrapped w/ 38 turns of Litz 660 wire that feeds into a 365 pf variable capacitor. Sharp and high Q that consistently outperforms my 3' x 3' homebrew air core box loop. I can use the ferrite bar antenna with either inductive or direct coupling (a secondary winding--four turns directly on top of the main winding, terminated into a 1/8" female). The antenna output can be fed into a small RF preamp (BAX-1) that have from many years ago.  The entire antenna is enclosed in some air conditioning foam insulation and placed into a 2" diameter PVC pipe--the varicap is at one end and the 1/8' female at the other. i have the antenna mounted on a camera tripod for full rotation and tilt capabilities.
 
It might be neat to see if Stormwise would be able to fabricate longer and/or thicker ferrite bars--i am very happy with this antenna. i might mention that an article about monster ferrite bar antennas I found in the Ultralight files section, John Bryant co-author, gave me much stimulus to build my contraption.  It has much sharper Q than a glued together 24"er that i made from Amidon 7.5" bars a number of years ago. Happy to address any questions...

From: ultralightdx@... [ultralightdx@...] On Behalf Of Neil Findlay [neil.findlay52@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:39 PM
To: ultralightdx@...
Subject: Re: [ultralightdx] Re: Guy Atkin's Independent Testing of PL-380 7.5" Loopstick

 

Roy and other folk in the group
 
I hope my plug-in rod idea works -- so I can try your idea
 
But i saw some other rods -- not sure if we can get them in Australia
My son seels we not be able to due to a technology ban as the could be used to track submarines on VLF
On the site it says US only no international orders
 
 
see the monster rod section - the say they are mu 125 which seems to be what type 61 is
Up to 27inch long and 1inch diameter - there are some medium wave radios using the smaller ones on the site
though much of the site deals with ELF and VLF
 
Has anyone tried using these rods &  or would they be useful at MW compared to the Amidon's
 
Regards
Neil


From: Roy com>
To: ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 3 February, 2010 11:50:37 AM
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: Guy Atkin's Independent Testing of PL-380 7.5" Loopstick

 

Guy

When I ordered My Amidon rods 4,6,7.5" rods I also ordered 40/46, 165/46 and 630/46 (my mistake it is not 660) wire. I set about winding coils on all of the rods with different wire. After reading Ben Tongue article I was connived that the centre of the rod was the best part to wind the coil. Also knowing the Si4734 just adapted to the coil as long as it was in the inductance range specified in the chips notes this reinforced my belief to wind my coils in the centre to have the best Q.

Every time I moved up a rod or a wire size the results got better. I did not use the 630 strand Litz on the 4 or 6" rod as there is not enough room. Just like if you built a bigger aeroplane with a longer fuselage you would not use the wings from a smaller aeroplane to lift it, so it seemed to me to be the same that the wire size should be increased with rod size.

The DC resistance of the 630 Litz coil is so low that I can't read it. The same resistance associated with the same inductance of a 40/46 coil is a few ohms. So this must improve the Q for a start. My theory is that the larger wire size enables more of the rod to be covered by the coil thus enhancing the magnetic couple I don't know if it is specifically the Litz but maybe it is just the wire size, but I really would not consider using any other wire than Litz at that diameter.

I have been using the 630 Litz coil now for many days listening to distant overland stations as the sun comes up. I just rewound the 81 turn 40/46 coil slider coil to test it again. The 630 Litz coil when judged from a listening point of view reminds me of my Sony 7600GR with a good low noise floor with the signal coming out of and returning to the noise floor gently, plus the soft mute did not seem to bug me as much. On the other hand the 40/46 coil seemed to pick up more hash from the radios display creating a buzz noticeable at some frequencies along with the polling request for the RSSI and S/N indicators. I advise all members to experiment for themselves with a bit of wire and some rods. That's what the fun of ULDXing is and I hope we can all calmly disuses our results.

This points out that for the purest; at least two separate loopstick coils should be at hand. One for the top of the band and one for the bottom of the band.

Cheers Roy.

 

--- In ultralightdx@ yahoogroups. com, "thinkdx" wrote:
>
> Hi Roy, Yes, I checked mid and high band signals too, and observed the
> average reading over one minute. Any frequency I tried showed
> improvement with the coil at the same approx. position from the end of
> the rod (about 1-5/8", where inductance was 532 or so). As you
> mentioned, the improvement is not as great when you tune up in
> frequency. I made the video with 530 kHz, because there are steady,
> weak TIS stations audible on 530 from my location. I suppose I could
> have shown the effect in the video with other frequencies besides low
> band. Thanks for the tip on the high strand count 660 Litz. When I made
> an E100 slider a couple summers ago, I used 172/44 Litz, but have never
> tried any variety approaching 660 strands. Do you feel that the number
> of strands affects the noise level, or does it have to do with the coil
> wound in the middle? 73, Guy Atkins Puyallup, WA USA
> http://fivebelow. squarespace. com
>
> --- In ultralightdx@ yahoogroups. com, "Roy" roy.dyball@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Guy
> >
> > I noticed in your test that you had your radio tuned right at the
> bottom
> > of the band (530Khz).
> >
> > I agree that with the same 81 turn sliding coil connected to my
> PL-380
> > that it showed an increase of about 20dbu and more importantly that
> the
> > S/N had risen by some times up to 10-12db on the low frequency end of
> > the band. These results are undeniable and improve the radio greatly
> >
> > Did you get a chance to try stations at the top of the band? My coil
> > started to drop off above 1200Khz and at the top of the band showed an
> > increase in dbu of only about 7-10 and no increase in S/N level.
> >
> > I also concur that my best results have been with coils wound in the
> > centre of the rod. Extensive testing with different coils wound at the
> > centre of the rod and different wire size and inductance has shown me
> > that a value of inductance in the range 0f 330-350µH works the best
> > over the entire band.
> >
> > I found that a coil of 70 turn (110mm) 660 Litz wire wound at the
> centre
> > performed the best overall and had the least amount of noise. When the
> > varactor values are read from the Si4734 chip with it tuned to 1710
> Khz
> > it reports a value of around 10pf indicating the chip has not run out
> of
> > capacitance at the top of the band. The inductance could be increased
> if
> > you dont want to work the top end of the band.
> >
> > The Welbrook range of gear looks like good gear and I hope your DX
> > expedition goes well.
> >
> > Cheers Roy.
>



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Re: Stormwise ferrite rods

Pollock,Raphael E <rpollock@...>
 

Wire makes a difference--I found that the 660 Litz (38 turns in the center of my 27" Stormwise 125 mu) did much better than 28 AWG multistrand hook up wire--much sharper and higher Q, and higher S/N ratios across the MW band...

From: ultralightdx@... [ultralightdx@...] On Behalf Of Steve Ratzlaff [steveratz@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:48 PM
To: ultralightdx@...
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: Stormwise ferrite rods

 



Hi,
I built a tuned loop for LF reception using one of the 24" 125 mu Stormwise rods for someone about 8 months ago. It worked very well and was noticeably sharper tuning than a similar length tuned ferrite rod antenna I'd built years before using bundled and staggered Amidon 7.5" rods (way back when those 7.5" rods didn't cost $20 each!). I would guess the Stormwise rods would work similarly for MW usage.
I'd be willing to buy a rod and have it shipped to me, then send it on, if someone outside the country wanted to reimburse me and try one. Shipping might be expensive for a package of that size and weight (the larger rods are heavy). And I have no idea if such a long item could even be shipped via US Post Office mail though I don't see why it couldn't. Wellbrook sends its 1-meter diameter loop antennas overseas.
73,
Steve

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [ultralightdx] Re: Guy Atkin's Independent Testing of PL-380 7.5" Loopstick

Roy and other folk in the group
 
I hope my plug-in rod idea works -- so I can try your idea
 
But i saw some other rods -- not sure if we can get them in Australia
My son seels we not be able to due to a technology ban as the could be used to track submarines on VLF
On the site it says US only no international orders
 
 
see the monster rod section - the say they are mu 125 which seems to be what type 61 is
Up to 27inch long and 1inch diameter - there are some medium wave radios using the smaller ones on the site
though much of the site deals with ELF and VLF
 
Has anyone tried using these rods &  or would they be useful at MW compared to the Amidon's
 
Regards
Neil


Re: Obituary for John H.Bryant on Strode Funeral Home website

Carl DeWhitt
 

A correction to my earlier post.The link says sign guestbook.You can click on this and leave condolences.
Carl

--- In ultralightdx@..., "carl_elissa" <carl_elissa@...> wrote:

I have not found the newspaper obituary yet.Maybe it will be on the paper's website later today.I did find his obituary on the Strode Funeral Home website.Here is the link:
http://strodefh.com/
Click on the obituary link at the left side of the page.
John's picture and name will be at the top of the page.
Click on his name and it brings up his obituary.
There is a link at the top of that page called condolences.
You can click on this link to leave a condolence message for his family.
At least 2 dxers have already.
Carl DeWhitt
Maryville,Tn


Re: Obituary for John H.Bryant on Strode Funeral Home website

Carl DeWhitt
 

As you will see in his obituary,John's funeral is 3 P.M.Central time Friday,February 12 at the First United Methodist Church in Stillwater,Oklahoma.Please keep his family in your thoughts and prayers at this time.
73
Carl DeWhitt
Maryville,Tn.

--- In ultralightdx@..., "carl_elissa" <carl_elissa@...> wrote:

I have not found the newspaper obituary yet.Maybe it will be on the paper's website later today.I did find his obituary on the Strode Funeral Home website.Here is the link:
http://strodefh.com/
Click on the obituary link at the left side of the page.
John's picture and name will be at the top of the page.
Click on his name and it brings up his obituary.
There is a link at the top of that page called condolences.
You can click on this link to leave a condolence message for his family.
At least 2 dxers have already.
Carl DeWhitt
Maryville,Tn


Obituary for John H.Bryant on Strode Funeral Home website

Carl DeWhitt
 

I have not found the newspaper obituary yet.Maybe it will be on the paper's website later today.I did find his obituary on the Strode Funeral Home website.Here is the link:
http://strodefh.com/
Click on the obituary link at the left side of the page.
John's picture and name will be at the top of the page.
Click on his name and it brings up his obituary.
There is a link at the top of that page called condolences.
You can click on this link to leave a condolence message for his family.
At least 2 dxers have already.
Carl DeWhitt
Maryville,Tn


Re: John Bryant's Legacy

Horacio Nigro <hanigrodx@...>
 


As a foreign DXer I am sure the International DX Community will be benefited.

I stress on the need to have John Bryant's works published online for the benefit of foreign DXers that haven't had read those reference material. As in all aspects of life, improving culture is a must for every individual if he wants to grow as a person. As in other aspects of life, the same applies to DXing, its phenomena and its techniques. A better dissemination of information will bring better DXers worldwide.
 
                          
   Horacio A. Nigro

    Montevideo     
    Uruguay


 






De: "D1028Gary@..."
Para: ultralightdx@...
Enviado: jue,11 febrero, 2010 03:53
Asunto: [ultralightdx] John Bryant's Legacy

 

Hello All,
 
As all of us express our deep respect and appreciation for John's many outstanding contributions to our hobby (and especially to our Ultralight Radio enthusiast group), perhaps the most appropriate way to honor his memory is to follow his example of unselfish service to others.
 
Having had the privilege of cooperating very closely with John in the creation and promotion of our ULR group over the past two years, I frequently heard his concerns that although the group was growing rapidly and fulfilling its primary objective of introducing this exciting form of AM-DXing, the same core leadership group from early 2008 was constantly carrying the load in providing service to the membership. John was truly a "giving" type of leader for whom service to others came naturally, but he seems to have been unusual in his motivating concept-- that the greatest hobby pleasure comes not from one's own success, but in helping others to succeed.
 
Based on John's superb example (and the unselfish contributions of many other ULR group leaders), our enthusiast group has certainly reversed the general impression of an AM-DXing "hobby in decline," and has grown at a phenomenal rate during these past two years-- introducing new DXing excitement and enjoyment to hundreds of hobbyists around the world. John knew that we had hit upon a "winning combination, " and took pride in how we were restoring the original thrill of DXing to our membership. But he also knew that those successful in ULR-DXing, antenna experimentation or other technical areas had a responsibility to "give back" to the membership, and share their expertise with those who could benefit from it. Many new members have been surprised when John politely (but firmly) asked that they draft an article to share the secrets of their success with the membership-- but this has actually been a ULR group tradition since the very first days of our existence, and probably the primary reason for our booming growth rate. We all have a responsibility to "give back" to the membership, and in this essential priority, John certainly set a great example for all of us.
 
As we face the very unpleasant news of John's accidental passing, I would encourage all of you to honor John's memory by following his example. If you can contribute technical articles of interest to our group (antenna experimentation, radio modification, equipment reviews, etc.), please consider doing so. If you have expertise in graphic design, John's untimely passing has left a need for a creator of Ultralight Award certificates. Those successful in domestic and international DXing should consider writing tutorial articles. If you have had great success DXing with a certain radio model, please let us know why it is your dream machine. Don't be concerned about the lack of file space on the Ultralightdx site-- John and I recently agreed on a solution for that. If you have interest in serving on one of the ULR group committees (Definitions, Awards or Contests), please consider volunteering. Discover the unique satisfaction that comes from "giving back" to others, and honor John by following his unselfish example. We all have something to contribute-- let's show we really have learned this final "lesson," from one of the hobby's greatest teachers.
 
73, Gary DeBock
ULR Group Co-founder
 
     
 
             



John Bryant - In Memoriam

Guy Atkins
 

I've placed one of my favorite photos of John in a posting on my blog, along with a few words. It is hard to write any more in depth than I have...the feelings of loss are still too strong.
 
The photo was taken last year at John and Linda's Orcas Island home, during one of our family's visits.
 
Please feel free to leave any thoughts or memories of John in the comments section of the post.
 
Guy Atkins
Puyallup, WA USA
 


Loggings for the evening of 02/09/10 and 02/10/10

Alex
 


 I've had a chance to listen at sunset for the past two evenings and I caught the following.

 
  All loggings were obtained with a Sony SRF-49, Barefoot and all times are in UTC.

   AMP= Air Mile Path from city of coverage area to my QTH in Springboro, OH.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  630  WLAP Lexington, Ky 09 February 2010 2200-2204 Poor  AMP 108 Mi
Heard: News, ID and WX
ULR LOG: # 83 5Kw / 1 Kw
**********************************************************************************************************
880 WRFD Columbus-Worthington, OH 09 February 2010 2236 Poor AMP 75 Mi
Heard: Religious talkshow heard with ID during commercials, WCBS was starting to bleed in as the sunset.
ULR Log: # 84 23 Kw
*********************************************************************************************************
940 WCPC Houston, MS 09 February 2010 2300 Poor to Very Good AMP 471 Mi
Heard: A very clear ID, and the start of a religious talkshow, but within seconds the signal started to get run over as WMAC, Macon, Ga came rolling in.
ULR LOG: # 85 50 KW  I needed MS it's my 23rd state.
**********************************************************************************************************
960 WBMC McMinnville, TN 09 February 2010 2319 Poor AMP 280Mi
Heard: ID in a commercial break, WFIR was mixing with it making copy hard.
ULR LOG: # 86 500w / 38w
*********************************************************************************************************
1080 KRLD Dallas, TX 09 February 2010 2348-2352 Fair AMP 837 Mi
Heard: Hollywood news, heating and air commercial, with a couple ID's
ULR LOG: # 87 50 Kw
*********************************************************************************************************
1090 WTNK Hartsville, TN 09 February 2010 0000 Poor AMP 243 Mi
Heard: Old country tunes, Station ID with a Tagline "From the heart of Tennessee"
ULR LOG: # 88  1 Kw / 2w
*********************************************************************************************************
1160 WYLL Chicago, IL 09 February 2010 0022 Fair AMP 239 Mi
Heard: Religious Talk Show " Ask the Pastor" commercials with a station ID
ULR LOG: # 89 50 Kw
*********************************************************************************************************
1260 WNDE Indianapolis, IN 10 February 2010 Poor AMP 103 Mi
Heard: ID twice, but it was hard to sort out contents for it's a Fox Sports Network affiliate and it was mixed with audio from WNXT, Portsmouth, OH a ESPN affiliate!!! :o
ULR LOG: # 90 5 Kw
*********************************************************************************************************
1260 WNXT Portsmouth, OH  10 February 2010 Poor AMP 87Mi
Heard: Doug Gottly Show, some ESPN promo's and a station ID
ULR LOG: # 91 5 Kw / 1 Kw
**********************************************************************************************************
1320 WGOC Kingsport, TN 10 February 2010 Poor AMP 228Mi
Heard ID and Business Radio Network promo, it was listed in the 2008 NRC AM LOG as country station.
ULR LOG: # 92 5 Kw / 500w
*********************************************************************************************************

   So I got Ole Miss in the log book, and the Old south is almost complete except for Florida and South Carolina. Then I have to concentrate on the Upper Northeast and Western states. And now I'm in spitting distance of the 100 stations heard award, Looking from my ULR log I started on the 19 of February 2009 so I have little time to cram it in under a year.  But I'm not even close to doing in a time period like the Ross DX challenge.

  ALEX N8UCN / KOH8IG / SWLR-RN037

  "The ear of the Cinn-Day corridor!"  
  


Re: John Bryant death notice

MarkWA1ION
 

Guy, you have a very valid point. John would see DXers getting back to the dials (or computer screen in the case of Perseus) as one of the all time best ways to keep his memory and life's work alive.

So Graylanders (and the rest of you), start your receivers !

Mark Connelly, WA1ION

--- In ultralightdx@..., "thinkdx" <dx@...> wrote:


Hmm...his unusual middle name is spelled incorrectly in the notice. It is "Hulon" with an "o". John told me the origin of it years ago but I forget the details. It is a family name that has some significance among the Bryants on his side of the family.

John will be sorely missed and remembered during the Grayland DXpedition Bill Whitacre and I will be on next week. Bill said that just a couple of days ago, John had written him to say he'll be "looking forward to being a vicarious member of the trip out to the Coast."

In some discussion this morning, Bill and I considered cancelling or postponing the trip, but we felt that John would have wanted us to move full speed ahead and enjoy the good times together, the Perseus rigs, chasing Trans-Pacific DX, and the antenna experiments.

Sigh...so many times since 1990 I've strung out Beverages and other antennas with John at the property of the Grayland Motel. It won't be the same without him.

Guy



--- In ultralightdx@..., "carl_elissa" <carl_elissa@> wrote:

This death notice is in the 2-10-10 Stillwater News-Press.SO far i have not seen an obituary posted.:
Bryant service pending

John Hulan Bryant, 68, of Stillwater, died Feb. 9, 2010. Services are pending with Strode Funeral Home.


John Bryant's Memorial Postings .................

robert ross
 

Hello Everyone:

Well......I just got finished reading all the emails on the ULR, DXplorer, IRCA, NRC, ODXA etc Lists about John.......and Man.....this has to rate as the Greatest Memorial to ANY DX'er that I have ever witnessed. Maybe only the Death of Arthur Cushen in New Zealand could be compared to the grief shown by the many Friends of John Bryant!!

I have spent over 2 hours reading all the postings with memories of John's accomplishments.....and I am overwhelmed!!

John....You'll never know how many people you touched with your Kindness, Knowledge and Generosity.

73.......ROB VA3SW

Robert S. Ross
London, Ontario CANADA


Re: John Bryant

Carl DeWhitt
 

Kirk:
Do you recall the time that John,yourself and Mitch Sams got together in Stillwater and dxed with a 2000 foot beverage antenna ? You guys caught some Japanese and other nice mw dx.That is an interesting story involving John.As i remember someone told him he should have used a shorter wire.My guess is it might have been too directional at that length.I wish i could have been at that dx session.
73
Carl

--- In ultralightdx@..., "carl_elissa" <carl_elissa@...> wrote:

Kirk;
I remember when i met John.Yourself,Mitch Sams and i met John at a restaurant on I-35 if i remember correctly.For at least 2 hours, maybe more, we discussed sw dxing and particularly the Indonesian tropical band stations.I believe it was at this meeting that John told me that he was not very interested in dxing anything above 7 mHz.I believe he pretty much stuck to that to the end.This meeting was in the 80s .I do not recall what year.
When i got back into sw dxing in late 1982,you were the first dxer i met and i believe John was the second.When i read the Popular Communications article about ulr dxing ,in which John was prominently mentioned and featured,i had my interest reawakened in mw dxing .After a phone conversation with John i got back to being active after at least an 11 year hiatus from mw dxing.About that time i bought my first ulr,a Sony SRF- M37V.At John's encouragement ,i bought my first serious ulr,an Eton E-100.The move from Oklahoma to Tennessee cut short any serious ulr dxing from there as i left before the fall season of 2008.
The reason i am back in the mw dxing hobby is largely due to John Bryant.He and his encouraging manner will be sorely missed.

73 and good dx.
Carl DeWhitt
Maryville,Tn.



--- In ultralightdx@..., "Kirk" <kirk74601@> wrote:

After 8 hours of trying to work through this loss of my friend and colleague of over 25 years, I still find it difficult to write this, but I must, for John's sake and the wonderful memories.

John and I met and instantly hit it off in the mid 80's through involvement in Fine Tuning. He's the only guy that could ever convince me that I had something worthwhile to contribute to the hobby, even on the technical side of it, and a techie I'm not! That was evidenced by his volunteering me to participate in a jointly edited article (with John Clark) for one of Fine Tuning's Proceeding ventures...we wrote about the JRC NRD-515.

First time we met was at my house way out in the boondocks in north-central Oklahoma (9 miles NE of Newkirk, Oklahoma) in about 1985 I think (maybe 1986). He, Mitch Sams, and Glenn Hauser all came up and we spent the next 6 or 7 hours cussing and discussing the radio hobby. That was back when there were SO many great SW target stations to try for. Glenn brought his new (at that time) slides from his recent vacation to Hong Kong, and I recall he and John discussing some of the finer points of Chinese architecture...that was John's profession-architecture...John studied the Chinese forms of the profession by going to China on more than one occasion I believe. He was very intrigued with the Eastern styles. Mitch and I just said "uh-huh" and "yea", that sort of thing. We didn't want to sound stoopid or anything.

John and I always had a non-declared competition going on it seemed. Although neither of us ever declared war on the other, it was, at times, a state of war. Back in the 80's and first half of the 90's we were competing for the most Indonesians heard and verified on SW. More recently we had a competition for the XE stations on MW. A typical conversation between us sometimes included expletives that could lead some to believe we hated each other. That was certainly not the case! How he and I ever got that going is beyond me. I think that we just enjoyed challenging each other to extend oneself to the limit! That's the best way I can put it. John just had a natural ability to bring out the best in other people. God bless his heart for that! I will never ever forget what he helped me discover about myself. Challenged I was by John's influence. Thank you, John, for helping me find out for myself that I can do much more than I thought possible.

Most recently, John introduced me to ultralight DX'ing. I wasn't at first really keen on the idea, but after he personally brought me a Sony SRF-59 which I still am using today, I began to get the DX'ing bug again after a 13 year (more or less) hiatus in the hobby. Once again it was John that got to me to get off my butt and do a little writing about the hobby. Like him, I haven't had this much fun in radio in many years. As John would put it, "...having a barrel of fun..." Once again I have to say, "Thank you, John!"

I could write much more than I already have. I will leave it at what's been typed here. Tomorrow a letter will be sent to Linda, who courageously tolerated more than one DX'er at their place through the years. She's a gem just as John was!

Thanks, John, for always being such a wonderful friend. I will miss you Buddy. Until we meet again I will remain,
Your Friend,
Kirk Allen
Pasadena, TX


Re: John Bryant death notice

Carl DeWhitt
 

Thanks,Richard.I will surely be looking for it.I hope it gives some acknowledgement of his radio hobbies and the books and articles he wrote.
73
Carl

--- In ultralightdx@..., "RichardA" <richarda@...> wrote:

Carl:

The same death notice appeared on page three of the printed edition of the News-Press. I'm sure his obituary will be in the Thursday edition. The paper's website is www.stwnewspress.com.

Richard Allen


John Bryant's Legacy

Gary DeBock
 

Hello All,
 
As all of us express our deep respect and appreciation for John's many outstanding contributions to our hobby (and especially to our Ultralight Radio enthusiast group), perhaps the most appropriate way to honor his memory is to follow his example of unselfish service to others.
 
Having had the privilege of cooperating very closely with John in the creation and promotion of our ULR group over the past two years, I frequently heard his concerns that although the group was growing rapidly and fulfilling its primary objective of introducing this exciting form of AM-DXing, the same core leadership group from early 2008 was constantly carrying the load in providing service to the membership. John was truly a "giving" type of leader for whom service to others came naturally, but he seems to have been unusual in his motivating concept-- that the greatest hobby pleasure comes not from one's own success, but in helping others to succeed.
 
Based on John's superb example (and the unselfish contributions of many other ULR group leaders), our enthusiast group has certainly reversed the general impression of an AM-DXing "hobby in decline," and has grown at a phenomenal rate during these past two years-- introducing new DXing excitement and enjoyment to hundreds of hobbyists around the world. John knew that we had hit upon a "winning combination," and took pride in how we were restoring the original thrill of DXing to our membership. But he also knew that those successful in ULR-DXing, antenna experimentation or other technical areas had a responsibility to "give back" to the membership, and share their expertise with those who could benefit from it. Many new members have been surprised when John politely (but firmly) asked that they draft an article to share the secrets of their success with the membership-- but this has actually been a ULR group tradition since the very first days of our existence, and probably the primary reason for our booming growth rate. We all have a responsibility to "give back" to the membership, and in this essential priority, John certainly set a great example for all of us.
 
As we face the very unpleasant news of John's accidental passing, I would encourage all of you to honor John's memory by following his example. If you can contribute technical articles of interest to our group (antenna experimentation, radio modification, equipment reviews, etc.), please consider doing so. If you have expertise in graphic design, John's untimely passing has left a need for a creator of Ultralight Award certificates. Those successful in domestic and international DXing should consider writing tutorial articles. If you have had great success DXing with a certain radio model, please let us know why it is your dream machine. Don't be concerned about the lack of file space on the Ultralightdx site-- John and I recently agreed on a solution for that. If you have interest in serving on one of the ULR group committees (Definitions, Awards or Contests), please consider volunteering. Discover the unique satisfaction that comes from "giving back" to others, and honor John by following his unselfish example. We all have something to contribute-- let's show we really have learned this final "lesson," from one of the hobby's greatest teachers.
 
73, Gary DeBock
ULR Group Co-founder
 
     
 
             


Re: John Bryant death notice

bbwrwy
 

Carl:

The same death notice appeared on page three of the printed edition of the News-Press. I'm sure his obituary will be in the Thursday edition. The paper's website is www.stwnewspress.com.

Richard Allen


John Bryant

Brandon Jordan <bcdx.org@...>
 

This is absolutely terrible news. John has always been one of the good guys in the DX hobby that I have always looked up to and admired. Although we never met, and only exchanged a few dozen emails over the years, I have always devoured the outstanding technical articles that he contributed to the community. From his efforts with Proceedings all the way up to the Ultralight stuff, hi work has been cherished and he will be truly missed.

My prayers go out to his family and loved ones. Best of 73s to ya John.

Brandon


Re: some ways to pay tribute to John Bryant

Alex
 

--- In ultralightdx@..., "carl_elissa" <carl_elissa@...> wrote:

Nice idea ! I agree that it would be a fitting tribute to John.

Carl DeWhitt

Maryville,Tn.
--- In ultralightdx@..., John Cereghin <pilgrimway.geo@> wrote:

Or you could have something like the "John Bryant Memorial Award", for the DXer who has most promoted Ultralight DXing over the previous year.  That's what John did.  An annual award in his honor along those lines would be a fitting tribute to him.

John Cereghin
Smyrna DE
*********************************************************************

I second the idea, Mr.Cereghin. A better idea than mine, and I hope others in the group will do like likewise.

Alex N8UCN / KOH8IG / SWLR-RN037

"The ear of the of the Cinn-Day corridor."









Alex N8UCN / KOH8IG / SWLR-RN037


Re: John Bryant

James Herkimer
 

Kirk -------What a beautiful tribute to our friend.  I'm so sorry but I am so overcome with grief that I am unable to verbalize my feelings.  Please remember the great times at Reynoldsburg. -------Jim Herkimer


--- On Wed, 2/10/10, Kirk wrote:

From: Kirk <kirk74601@...>
Subject: [ultralightdx] John Bryant
To: ultralightdx@...
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 8:35 AM

 
After 8 hours of trying to work through this loss of my friend and colleague of over 25 years, I still find it difficult to write this, but I must, for John's sake and the wonderful memories.

John and I met and instantly hit it off in the mid 80's through involvement in Fine Tuning. He's the only guy that could ever convince me that I had something worthwhile to contribute to the hobby, even on the technical side of it, and a techie I'm not! That was evidenced by his volunteering me to participate in a jointly edited article (with John Clark) for one of Fine Tuning's Proceeding ventures...we wrote about the JRC NRD-515.

First time we met was at my house way out in the boondocks in north-central Oklahoma (9 miles NE of Newkirk, Oklahoma) in about 1985 I think (maybe 1986). He, Mitch Sams, and Glenn Hauser all came up and we spent the next 6 or 7 hours cussing and discussing the radio hobby. That was back when there were SO many great SW target stations to try for. Glenn brought his new (at that time) slides from his recent vacation to Hong Kong, and I recall he and John discussing some of the finer points of Chinese architecture. ..that was John's profession-architec ture...John studied the Chinese forms of the profession by going to China on more than one occasion I believe. He was very intrigued with the Eastern styles. Mitch and I just said "uh-huh" and "yea", that sort of thing. We didn't want to sound stoopid or anything.

John and I always had a non-declared competition going on it seemed. Although neither of us ever declared war on the other, it was, at times, a state of war. Back in the 80's and first half of the 90's we were competing for the most Indonesians heard and verified on SW. More recently we had a competition for the XE stations on MW. A typical conversation between us sometimes included expletives that could lead some to believe we hated each other. That was certainly not the case! How he and I ever got that going is beyond me. I think that we just enjoyed challenging each other to extend oneself to the limit! That's the best way I can put it. John just had a natural ability to bring out the best in other people. God bless his heart for that! I will never ever forget what he helped me discover about myself. Challenged I was by John's influence. Thank you, John, for helping me find out for myself that I can do much more than I thought possible.

Most recently, John introduced me to ultralight DX'ing. I wasn't at first really keen on the idea, but after he personally brought me a Sony SRF-59 which I still am using today, I began to get the DX'ing bug again after a 13 year (more or less) hiatus in the hobby. Once again it was John that got to me to get off my butt and do a little writing about the hobby. Like him, I haven't had this much fun in radio in many years. As John would put it, "...having a barrel of fun..." Once again I have to say, "Thank you, John!"

I could write much more than I already have. I will leave it at what's been typed here. Tomorrow a letter will be sent to Linda, who courageously tolerated more than one DX'er at their place through the years. She's a gem just as John was!

Thanks, John, for always being such a wonderful friend. I will miss you Buddy. Until we meet again I will remain,
Your Friend,
Kirk Allen
Pasadena, TX



Re: John Bryant death notice

James Herkimer
 

Bill Whitacre?-----Oh my, there's a name I haven't heard in years -------Please say hello for me -------Jim Herkimer


--- On Wed, 2/10/10, thinkdx wrote:

From: thinkdx
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: John Bryant death notice
To: ultralightdx@...
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:40 PM

 


Hmm...his unusual middle name is spelled incorrectly in the notice. It is "Hulon" with an "o". John told me the origin of it years ago but I forget the details. It is a family name that has some significance among the Bryants on his side of the family.

John will be sorely missed and remembered during the Grayland DXpedition Bill Whitacre and I will be on next week. Bill said that just a couple of days ago, John had written him to say he'll be "looking forward to being a vicarious member of the trip out to the Coast."

In some discussion this morning, Bill and I considered cancelling or postponing the trip, but we felt that John would have wanted us to move full speed ahead and enjoy the good times together, the Perseus rigs, chasing Trans-Pacific DX, and the antenna experiments.

Sigh...so many times since 1990 I've strung out Beverages and other antennas with John at the property of the Grayland Motel. It won't be the same without him.

Guy

--- In ultralightdx@ yahoogroups. com, "carl_elissa" wrote:
>
> This death notice is in the 2-10-10 Stillwater News-Press.SO far i have not seen an obituary posted.:
> Bryant service pending
>
> John Hulan Bryant, 68, of Stillwater, died Feb. 9, 2010. Services are pending with Strode Funeral Home.
>