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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Dear Graham
look in the files section and find
antenna optimized ferrite sleeve-1.ppt
best wishes
Paul
Dear Graham
look in the files section and find
antenna optimized ferrite sleeve-1.ppt
best wishes
Paul
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Paul V Birke PEng <nonlinear@...>
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#14066
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
I agree with this assessment about the outer sleeve shielding the coil. It is the basis for FM rejection using a ferrite bead with wire woven through the ends (4-hole or 6-hole). Putting an outer
I agree with this assessment about the outer sleeve shielding the coil. It is the basis for FM rejection using a ferrite bead with wire woven through the ends (4-hole or 6-hole). Putting an outer
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ferrite61 <dxrx@...>
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#14065
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Gentlemen:
Putting my Moderator hat on, let's cut the discussion off here.
I too look forward to any empirical data is devleoped regarding the pros and cons of whatever designs folks might have.
Gentlemen:
Putting my Moderator hat on, let's cut the discussion off here.
I too look forward to any empirical data is devleoped regarding the pros and cons of whatever designs folks might have.
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Kevin Schanilec
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#14064
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Hi Paul,
You asked
"are we saying there is no current in the field windings?"
No - the electromagnetic radiation is inducing current flow in the coil - directly - and not via the ferrite rod.
Any
Hi Paul,
You asked
"are we saying there is no current in the field windings?"
No - the electromagnetic radiation is inducing current flow in the coil - directly - and not via the ferrite rod.
Any
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graham.maynard1
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#14063
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Hi Chris,
You wrote -
"The "free space" magnetic field should create flux on both surfaces of
the ferrite sleeve, so Paul's two-solenoid idea should give us a terminal
voltage about twice that of a
Hi Chris,
You wrote -
"The "free space" magnetic field should create flux on both surfaces of
the ferrite sleeve, so Paul's two-solenoid idea should give us a terminal
voltage about twice that of a
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graham.maynard1
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#14062
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Dear Graham
any induced current in the wire system will create its own field
regardless of what is going on in the ferrite
are we saying there is no current in the field windings?
please see my ppt
Dear Graham
any induced current in the wire system will create its own field
regardless of what is going on in the ferrite
are we saying there is no current in the field windings?
please see my ppt
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Paul V Birke PEng <nonlinear@...>
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#14061
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Hi Chris
Go back to the basket weave reasoning.
Same direction of charge flow inside and outside of a ferrite sleeve will set up opposite electron spins within the ferrite sleeve.
Forget about
Hi Chris
Go back to the basket weave reasoning.
Same direction of charge flow inside and outside of a ferrite sleeve will set up opposite electron spins within the ferrite sleeve.
Forget about
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graham.maynard1
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#14060
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
shielded
absorbed by
alternating
outside
surfaces.
strategy
amp-turn
may
magnetic
sleeve
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I think that the way to prove this one way or the other is to construct
a ferrite sleeve antenna with
shielded
absorbed by
alternating
outside
surfaces.
strategy
amp-turn
may
magnetic
sleeve
>
I think that the way to prove this one way or the other is to construct
a ferrite sleeve antenna with
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Chris Trask - N7ZWY/WDX3HLB
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#14059
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Hi Paul,
What magnetic field ?
!!!!! There are no fields due to electromagnetic radiation
until a wire or coil (not ferrite) transduces them !!!!!
The field in the ferrite comes from the coil
Hi Paul,
What magnetic field ?
!!!!! There are no fields due to electromagnetic radiation
until a wire or coil (not ferrite) transduces them !!!!!
The field in the ferrite comes from the coil
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graham.maynard1
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#14058
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
me.
>
No, they will not cancel within the ferrite. The signal flux exists
only on the ferrite surface due to "magnetic skin effect". That's what
allows us to have two solenoids, one on the
me.
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No, they will not cancel within the ferrite. The signal flux exists
only on the ferrite surface due to "magnetic skin effect". That's what
allows us to have two solenoids, one on the
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Chris Trask - N7ZWY/WDX3HLB
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#14057
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
From: dhsatyadhana
To: ultralightdx@...
Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 4:12:00 PM
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
With two coils, it seems that the inner coil would be
From: dhsatyadhana
To: ultralightdx@...
Sent: Tue, March 1, 2011 4:12:00 PM
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
With two coils, it seems that the inner coil would be
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Paul V Birke PEng <nonlinear@...>
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#14056
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
No Chris I did not say that !
I said one way they will cancel in free space,
the other way they will cancel in the ferrite.
Both being 'no-win' situations.
Maybe you could clarify where your 'school
No Chris I did not say that !
I said one way they will cancel in free space,
the other way they will cancel in the ferrite.
Both being 'no-win' situations.
Maybe you could clarify where your 'school
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graham.maynard1
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#14055
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Thank You for the Welcome Kenny,
It took me a long time to figure out about the electron spins in ferrite, and as yourself here at the Ultralightdx group were the first to investigate FS Loop
Thank You for the Welcome Kenny,
It took me a long time to figure out about the electron spins in ferrite, and as yourself here at the Ultralightdx group were the first to investigate FS Loop
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graham.maynard1
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#14054
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Which is what I had intended from the very beginning.
I would certainly like to see the school of physics where that came
from. What you are saying is that if I have two coils, each with
Which is what I had intended from the very beginning.
I would certainly like to see the school of physics where that came
from. What you are saying is that if I have two coils, each with
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Chris Trask - N7ZWY/WDX3HLB
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#14053
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Hi Chris,
In 14093 you wrote .
"The two windings would need to be constructed so that their currents are in opposite directions."
That is why I replied.
Now you say they are in series with the
Hi Chris,
In 14093 you wrote .
"The two windings would need to be constructed so that their currents are in opposite directions."
That is why I replied.
Now you say they are in series with the
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graham.maynard1
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#14052
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Hi all:
First, welcome to the Group, Graham! I'm glad you joined.
Re: coil currents - that was my assumption: the two coils are fed such that they complement rather than cancel each other out. The
Hi all:
First, welcome to the Group, Graham! I'm glad you joined.
Re: coil currents - that was my assumption: the two coils are fed such that they complement rather than cancel each other out. The
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Kevin Schanilec
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#14051
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
outside
That's an interesting idea, sort of a ferrite sandwich loop.
I've narrowed my choices down to using ferrite bars, and to start with
just a single layer of the bars with one solenoid
outside
That's an interesting idea, sort of a ferrite sandwich loop.
I've narrowed my choices down to using ferrite bars, and to start with
just a single layer of the bars with one solenoid
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Chris Trask - N7ZWY/WDX3HLB
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#14050
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
there
I never said that the currents would be passing oppositely. The
solenoid on the inside of the sleeve and the solenoid on the outside of the
sleeve are connected in seies so that their
there
I never said that the currents would be passing oppositely. The
solenoid on the inside of the sleeve and the solenoid on the outside of the
sleeve are connected in seies so that their
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Chris Trask - N7ZWY/WDX3HLB
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#14049
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Any guesses on how this approach might work:
A Litz wire solenoid coil, with ferrite rods both on the inside and outside of the wire coil.
I other words, it's a standard FSL (Ferrite Sleeve Loop),
Any guesses on how this approach might work:
A Litz wire solenoid coil, with ferrite rods both on the inside and outside of the wire coil.
I other words, it's a standard FSL (Ferrite Sleeve Loop),
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Christopher Wendling
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#14048
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Re: Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antenna tests
Hi Chris.
I have not seen all the posts here so I am not aware of Paul's suggestion, but two windings with currents passing oppositely will cancel whether there is a ferrite sleeve between them or
Hi Chris.
I have not seen all the posts here so I am not aware of Paul's suggestion, but two windings with currents passing oppositely will cancel whether there is a ferrite sleeve between them or
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graham.maynard1
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#14047
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