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Re: XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780

Jorge Garzón
 

Hi Gord, 
Well, I am not proposing changes in the ULR scene. I am just a keen dxer that I do this to enjoy the radio (Paul Blundell statement is right) ;-) 

But the reality of the DXing panorama in the Old World is slightly different. On MW we are changing the scene rapidly: we are leaving the band, less and less stations, and an indecent increase of noise generated by human activities with overall digitalization of our territory with the associated QRM. The most rewarding listening spots are now rural, wide open areas, and the wild. So all we that had comms receivers (I have an ICOM R71A and a YAESU FT2000, as I am also a ham op) looked back to small and light receivers to keep enjoying listening. At this level, the only 'serious' receivers on the market were portables: Sony, Sangean, Eton, Tecsun,... and the better ones were much more bigger than ULR's and/or pockets. 

On the other side (at least for me) is the human scale. That worries me, bur what damm is this? Perhaps there is a 'Diogenes' inside of each DXer with the compulsion to add a one more receiver in the shack, or more SDR recordings to check in the future and so on. SDR have changed our DXing scene, but actually has also helped to kill the DXing spirit to discover something new and unknown by spinning the dial keeping the frequency while listening to it carefully. SDR needs a computer, and the flow of signals is so huge that the only way to store those is to schedule recordings and fill external HD with tonnes of GBytes. But storing audio does not mean a balanced and correct management. 

I have been checking my FM dedicated hard disk with e-Skip recordings and I still have 2019 band lifts to check. Same with Medium/Long Wave stations, some of them with NDB signals from Alaska and Pacific Coast of Russia still 'unlogged'. That's crazy! and I wonder... What for? I am not an obsessive DX and as a sensible chaser just catch what he needs to eat, I want to remain a sensible DX and just catch what I can hear and process in a logical way, in a 'human scale' actually. 

So, by using small portables and ULR I keep alive the real spirit of DXing. With them (and also my LOWE HF150 and non-sdr ones) the challenge is also alive. I am not going to curse SDR as it's an awesome and useful technology, but is much less funny and to achieve rare stations, easier. 

I trumbled months ago with this original and lively group after have readen the antenna articles by Graham Maynard and after knowing the DXing tests made by Gary with his FSL samples. I coordinate in Spain the "IberiaDX" group with the only goal to put in touch DXers from the countries in the Iberian Peninsula, but of course opens to other European DXers also. From the group board, the blog and twitter I soon tried to spread the advantages of ULR DXing but, as I told before, "the reality of the DXing panorama in the Old World is slightly different." 

That's why we propose the two categories that you read in the article. Could be also 'ULR' and 'almost ULR', or even simpler, widening the 'ULR' reality to reach 30 cubic inches. For me, the DEGEN DE1103 is the boundary in size. High quality and balanced in both MW and FM, good sensitivity, a decent selectivity, portable, not heavy and comfortable to use, with thousands of units sold in Europe and other countries. That gives us just one thing: Enjoying the hobby. And when people enjoys a hobby and find that can achieve difficult challenges, they stay and want to keep going forward! 

I am sorry for this long message but it's Sunday and I have plenty of time today. In a couple of hours I will be checking the Iberian MW with our "IBOM-ULR" long-term project with a dozen of DXers spreaded on the four corners of the Iberian Peninsula. A proof that people enjoys and keep on going along the ULR scene! 

¡73 y Buen DX! 
--
Jorge Garzón (EB7EFA · EA1036 SWL) 
QTH: IN83ag / 43º15' N · 03º56' W
Urb. San Roque 95, casa 5 (Villasevil)
39698 Santiurde de Toranzo (ESPAÑA - SPAIN)
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Blog: IberiaDX  · Twitter: @IberiaDX


Re: 2021 Ultralight Radio Shootout Review Ready for Download

Paul Blundell
 

I have just had a quick look, this is amazing and you have clearly put a huge amount of time and effort into it.

Paul

On Sun, 2 May 2021, 17:50 Gary DeBock via groups.io, <D1028Gary=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
The 39-page 2021 Ultralight Radio Shootout review is available for download! Fully detailed reviews of the XHDATA D-808, Radiwow R-108, C. Crane Skywave (Basic and SSB), Tecsun PL-330 and the Tecsun PL-380 are included, with honest descriptions of the strong and weak points of every model. Finally, a detailed Shootout section compares each model's MW sensitivity, MW selectivity, FM sensitivity, SW sensitivity and AIR band sensitivity in fight to the finish! The Final Verdicts tell you who is still standing--- and why! https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/8y6855bnfmy45rnk46mzr7hb4pwjz8u8

Good DX to All,
Gary DeBock, N7EKX
Ultralight Radio Group Co-Founder


Re: XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780

Paul Blundell
 

Gord.

Nobody is saying that you can't use any radio you want in anyway you want. I have owned an AR1780 and also found it to be a very good radio.

For the group awards and challenges we have the guidelines, if we don't have a cut off at some point, we would have "scope creep" and have people using Icon R9500 as "ultralight radios".

Personally, any and all portable radios to me are okay to discuss on here.

On Sun, 2 May 2021, 17:51 Gord Seifert, <gks61711@...> wrote:

   Jorge, those receiver classifications make a lot more sense to me than the overly restrictive ones used here. Things like the AR-1780 are not included because they are a few cubic sentimeters too large, but five or ten pounds of ferrite rods, and multi hundred strand wire, that far exceed the size and weight of the radio are OK.
   I actually have an AR-1780 as well as a Tecsun 310et and an Eton Satellit Grundig Edition (also likely too large to qualify as an ultralight). The 1780 is the best of the three in reception in a number of ways. And because it DOES have SSB, and a great fine tuning feature, I can listen to things the Tecsun has no chance at and the Satellit is nowhere near stable enough to receive.
   I do have one of the FSL antennas. I don't mean to put them down at all. It is wonderful! But I just don't understand sticking to a strict classification of ultralights when something slightly bigger just works better.

   Regards,
   Gord


Re: XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780

Gord Seifert
 


   Jorge, those receiver classifications make a lot more sense to me than the overly restrictive ones used here. Things like the AR-1780 are not included because they are a few cubic sentimeters too large, but five or ten pounds of ferrite rods, and multi hundred strand wire, that far exceed the size and weight of the radio are OK.
   I actually have an AR-1780 as well as a Tecsun 310et and an Eton Satellit Grundig Edition (also likely too large to qualify as an ultralight). The 1780 is the best of the three in reception in a number of ways. And because it DOES have SSB, and a great fine tuning feature, I can listen to things the Tecsun has no chance at and the Satellit is nowhere near stable enough to receive.
   I do have one of the FSL antennas. I don't mean to put them down at all. It is wonderful! But I just don't understand sticking to a strict classification of ultralights when something slightly bigger just works better.

   Regards,
   Gord


2021 Ultralight Radio Shootout Review Ready for Download

Gary DeBock
 

The 39-page 2021 Ultralight Radio Shootout review is available for download! Fully detailed reviews of the XHDATA D-808, Radiwow R-108, C. Crane Skywave (Basic and SSB), Tecsun PL-330 and the Tecsun PL-380 are included, with honest descriptions of the strong and weak points of every model. Finally, a detailed Shootout section compares each model's MW sensitivity, MW selectivity, FM sensitivity, SW sensitivity and AIR band sensitivity in fight to the finish! The Final Verdicts tell you who is still standing--- and why! https://dreamcrafts.box.com/s/8y6855bnfmy45rnk46mzr7hb4pwjz8u8

Good DX to All,
Gary DeBock, N7EKX
Ultralight Radio Group Co-Founder


Re: Unid 1520 kHz USA. WWKB from Buffalo?

Jorge Garzón
 

Congratulations Pedro!
That Sports format remembers me ESPN stations. I think this is part of the "Sports Center Allnight" program. I have checked my life logs list and I have just three Sports station on that frequency:

WWKB from Buffalo (NY) with 50 kW D/N power (affiliated to ESPN).
KOLM from Rochester (MN) with 800 W night power (CBS The Ticket)
KMSR from Northwood (ND) with just 1.500 W at daytime (nightime power unknown for me)

WWKB is one of the usual ones when propagation opens and daytime blocks the power Saudi Arabian waves from the eastern side of the globe.

Well, remember... "No hay una sin dos, ni dos sin tres"

Salu2

Jorge Garzón Gutiérrez "IberiaDX" 
(EB7EFA · EA1036 SWL · BDXC Member 1409) 
QTH: IN83ag / 43º15' N · 03º56' W
Urb. San Roque 95, casa 5 (Villasevil)
39698 Santiurde de Toranzo (ESPAÑA - SPAIN)
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Blog: IberiaDX  · Twitter: @IberiaDX
En sábado, 1 de mayo de 2021 19:59:21 CEST, Pedro Porres <pporres@...> escribió:


This morning at dawn I heard something new on the Sangean DT-250. It could be the first North American station that I receive in MW. At 1520 kHzs the Buffalo WWKB usually enters Europe well, but I cannot know if it is from this station. I leave the link to know your opinion.
https://youtu.be/TyZ8Gg9DqPc
Thanks and best regards.

Pedro Porres.
Córdoba, España.


Re: XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780

Paul Blundell
 

I think the "SSB" rule was relaxed for this very reason.


On Sun, 2 May 2021, 04:50 Troy Riedel, <troy.riedel@...> wrote:
Jorge,

Awesome - I love the link, I love the IberiaDX criteria.  It's great to include (and to categorize) radios like the DE1103 (I recently sold my KA1103 but I have its brother the Eton E5 - a fine AM performer).  

I inquired many years ago if the G6 qualified as an Ultralight & I was told an emphatic "no [b/c of the SSB]".  But it seems the D-808 is accepted & it has SSB thus my confusion.  Just b/c a radio has SSB doesn't mean one is using/engaging the button.  Thanks all for the clarification - and again to Jorge for the link.  

I definitely agree with Paul:
> ... but end of the day, you can use whatever you want.

Yes.  AMDx is a fun 
pastime, no matter the radio one is using!

Cheers all,


Re: PortoDB

Paul Blundell
 

Let's us know how you go and if it works as well.


On Sun, 2 May 2021, 01:40 DX Pedro, <pmm.andrade@...> wrote:
Thanks for the info. Sadly, I’m not in Android. Will check for an iOS alternative 

On Sat, 1 May 2021 at 08:49 Paul Blundell <tanger32au@...> wrote:
I am still working on getting all the information I want logged but at this stage I am just doing frequency, callsign, location, type, power, logged, notes.

On Sat, 1 May 2021, 08:00 DX Pedro, <pmm.andrade@...> wrote:
What are the variables you punch in?
Thanks 


On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 at 02:22 Paul Blundell <tanger32au@...> wrote:
For a long time I have been looking for a way to log and store my ultralight DXing related information. Of late I had been using some paper log sheets and then transferring these to my custom database program on my laptop.

After using this method for the past year, I decided I was sick of the "double handling" and the errors / time delays this can bring. I was also finding that I was getting behind with my logs. Recently I was looking around and found this great (free) app for Android called PortoDB. I have now installed this on my phone and have setup a database.

A link to this is below and a how to guide.

Link: 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.portofarina.portodb&hl=en_US&gl=US

How to Guide: 
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-create-a-database-on-your-android-device-with-portodb/

--
// pedro andrade

--
// pedro andrade


Re: One Of My Favorite/Most Unexpected AM Logs This Winter

Paul Blundell
 

It is always great to hear about your adventures and Loggings.


On Sun, 2 May 2021, 03:29 Paul B. Walker, Jr., <walkerbroadcasting@...> wrote:


I know ,with DXing, you have to expect the unexpected.. but sometimes, theres stuff, areas of the country you just don't expect to hear.. and even if I were to hear way over to the east coast of the US from Alaska, I'd expect to hear WBZ, KDKA or one of the other big guns.

No, CFAJ 1220 St Catharines, Ontario.. that is my farthest east catch from my McGrath, Alaska QTH Thursday February 11th at 1026pm AK Time (Fri . Feb 12 at 226am Eastern)

Listen to this clip.. that Barbara Streisand tune thats pretty strong and in the clear is CFAJ. How do I know? Listen to the very end as the signal gets weaker.. "Another hour of great music on 1220 CFAJ St Catharines, Niagra"


ALL with the CC Skywave & The DeBock 5" FSL Antenna!


Re: XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780

Troy Riedel
 

Jorge,

Awesome - I love the link, I love the IberiaDX criteria.  It's great to include (and to categorize) radios like the DE1103 (I recently sold my KA1103 but I have its brother the Eton E5 - a fine AM performer).  

I inquired many years ago if the G6 qualified as an Ultralight & I was told an emphatic "no [b/c of the SSB]".  But it seems the D-808 is accepted & it has SSB thus my confusion.  Just b/c a radio has SSB doesn't mean one is using/engaging the button.  Thanks all for the clarification - and again to Jorge for the link.  

I definitely agree with Paul:
> ... but end of the day, you can use whatever you want.

Yes.  AMDx is a fun 
pastime, no matter the radio one is using!

Cheers all,


Re: PortoDB

Pedro Porres
 

Thanks, Paul. I am testing it and I like it. Simple but useful, easy and intuitive handling.

Pedro Porres.
Córdoba, España.


Unid 1520 kHz USA. WWKB from Buffalo?

Pedro Porres
 

This morning at dawn I heard something new on the Sangean DT-250. It could be the first North American station that I receive in MW. At 1520 kHzs the Buffalo WWKB usually enters Europe well, but I cannot know if it is from this station. I leave the link to know your opinion.
https://youtu.be/TyZ8Gg9DqPc
Thanks and best regards.

Pedro Porres.
Córdoba, España.


One Of My Favorite/Most Unexpected AM Logs This Winter

Paul B. Walker, Jr.
 



I know ,with DXing, you have to expect the unexpected.. but sometimes, theres stuff, areas of the country you just don't expect to hear.. and even if I were to hear way over to the east coast of the US from Alaska, I'd expect to hear WBZ, KDKA or one of the other big guns.

No, CFAJ 1220 St Catharines, Ontario.. that is my farthest east catch from my McGrath, Alaska QTH Thursday February 11th at 1026pm AK Time (Fri . Feb 12 at 226am Eastern)

Listen to this clip.. that Barbara Streisand tune thats pretty strong and in the clear is CFAJ. How do I know? Listen to the very end as the signal gets weaker.. "Another hour of great music on 1220 CFAJ St Catharines, Niagra"


ALL with the CC Skywave & The DeBock 5" FSL Antenna!


Re: FM DX? AM DX?

K7DWI Art
 

My favorite saying is "whatever floats your boat".
I enjoy both, but have a Ham radio hobby that gets in the way. 🙂
I now have a GO KIT for this part of the hobby.
The case (old Craftsman Saw) carries my FSL, an old Radio Shack loop for MW and a set of Rabbit Ears for FMBC (measured to FMBC).
It also holds a Tablet with downloaded FCC Databases for AM and FM on Excel (available on my Google drive).
I have an almost Ultralight. Eton Satellit Executive. It has RDS, which really helps on FMBC.
Have fun enjoy. Back to Hamming.
Art K7DWI 


Re: XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780

Jorge Garzón
 

Hi Troy, 
Here in Europe we do not use to listen with pocket radios, but we use small portables more often. Having said that we, in the group "IberiaDX" we use two different categories: Receptor de bolsillo (Pocket radios-ULR) and "Small Portables"). You will find a receiver's sizes table and more info here:



Re: PortoDB

DX Pedro
 

Thanks for the info. Sadly, I’m not in Android. Will check for an iOS alternative 

On Sat, 1 May 2021 at 08:49 Paul Blundell <tanger32au@...> wrote:
I am still working on getting all the information I want logged but at this stage I am just doing frequency, callsign, location, type, power, logged, notes.

On Sat, 1 May 2021, 08:00 DX Pedro, <pmm.andrade@...> wrote:
What are the variables you punch in?
Thanks 


On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 at 02:22 Paul Blundell <tanger32au@...> wrote:
For a long time I have been looking for a way to log and store my ultralight DXing related information. Of late I had been using some paper log sheets and then transferring these to my custom database program on my laptop.

After using this method for the past year, I decided I was sick of the "double handling" and the errors / time delays this can bring. I was also finding that I was getting behind with my logs. Recently I was looking around and found this great (free) app for Android called PortoDB. I have now installed this on my phone and have setup a database.

A link to this is below and a how to guide.

Link: 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.portofarina.portodb&hl=en_US&gl=US

How to Guide: 
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-create-a-database-on-your-android-device-with-portodb/

--
// pedro andrade

--
// pedro andrade


Re: XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780

DX Pedro
 

I think that in a shootout being made by the the senseis from the forum and scene of the ULDx, the 808 IS NOT on the category.
73s

On Sat, 1 May 2021 at 13:04 Troy Riedel <troy.riedel@...> wrote:
Are the XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780 radios accepted as meeting the group's "Ultra-light" definition?  Just curious because both, based on manufacturer specs, exceed the Cubic In. criteria of 20" or less.

XHDATA-808:
5.71”
3.43”
1.06”
Cu In: 20.76”
 
AR-1780:
5.9”
3.7”
1.2”
Cu In: 26.2”

Thanks in adv.

--
// pedro andrade


Re: SDRs

DX Pedro
 

Precisely, Paul. 
It will be an interesting discussion in a near future, imho.

On Sat, 1 May 2021 at 12:56 Paul Blundell <tanger32au@...> wrote:
I guess (and I might be wrong) that a SDR which fits the ultralight guidelines would be accepted. Nothing in the guidelines talks about the receiver type, only size and cost.

Paul

On Sat, 1 May 2021, 21:47 DX Pedro, <pmm.andrade@...> wrote:
Totally agree, Jorge (Iberians UNITE! xD)
Jokes aside, i was only thinking in terms of the old/traditional SDR that you needed an external hand from a computer. The small sDR receivers you mentioned are indeed changing the game on SDR and slowly creeping in the ULDx space, with one of the few examples Jorge gave.

So yes, maybe with the advent of portable SDRs it should be about time to re-think the concept of UPDx machines, or then maybe, define its canon and instead of including, excluding devices might be the way to go.

// pedro andrade


On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 9:09 AM Jorge Garzón via groups.io <iberiaDX=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's interesting!  In recent months more SDR models are in the market and units like Belka DX or Malahit/Malachite SDR does not need a computer as they work for their own. Dropping the price is just a question of time and their size is less than 20 in3. So the only real difference now with an ULR would be the existence (or not) of a ferrite bar buit-in (referring to MW DXing, I mean). 

Times change rapidly and maybe it's time to re-define concepts as use of technology and electronics go forward! 

--
// pedro andrade


Re: XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780

Paul Blundell
 

I believe that the XHDATA-808 is "close enough" to the size guidelines. 

The AR1780 is a bit larger so maybe not official per say but end of the day, you can use whatever you want. 

On Sat, 1 May 2021, 22:04 Troy Riedel, <troy.riedel@...> wrote:
Are the XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780 radios accepted as meeting the group's "Ultra-light" definition?  Just curious because both, based on manufacturer specs, exceed the Cubic In. criteria of 20" or less.

XHDATA-808:
5.71”
3.43”
1.06”
Cu In: 20.76”
 
AR-1780:
5.9”
3.7”
1.2”
Cu In: 26.2”

Thanks in adv.


XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780

Troy Riedel
 

Are the XHDATA-808 & the AR-1780 radios accepted as meeting the group's "Ultra-light" definition?  Just curious because both, based on manufacturer specs, exceed the Cubic In. criteria of 20" or less.

XHDATA-808:
5.71”
3.43”
1.06”
Cu In: 20.76”
 
AR-1780:
5.9”
3.7”
1.2”
Cu In: 26.2”

Thanks in adv.

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