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Re: Working with shorter (and cheaper) ferrites - The Backpack FSL

jerryhodak@ymail.com
 

I propose that as a group, we raise money through donations for Kevin S and Gary DeBock to get an absurd amount of ferrite and have an obscenely large FSL made and tested with a documentary video covering the design and testing of it.

It could become the Stanely Cup of ULR dxing and go on tours of the country annually and be kept in the ULR Historical Museum and Hall of Fame

--- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, "dhsatyadhana" <dhsatyadhana@...> wrote:

Hi Michael:

Thanks for your post. I have thought about it some, and I think the problem is that the coil itself would be very small. An FSL with rings of ferrite would be easy to make (no ferrite winding form is needed), and IMO would be very cool to look at! However, based on the various FSLs I have assembled and torn apart, it is the diameter of the coil of wire, not the ferrite, that is primarily responsible for grabbing the RF energy, and increasing the coil size is the primary factor in a more sensitive FSL.

Another aspect: using rings would put the ferrites, and the gaps between them, parallel to the Litz wire, rather than the wire running perpendicular to the ferrites and gaps as with bars & rods. My sense, based on a limited understanding of electromagnetic theory, is that the latter is actually preferable, although I could be wrong. Anybody know more on this???

There are materials available to check all this out, though. I see that a 100 mm (4 inch) diameter ferrite sleeve, 54 mm (2 inches) long could be assembled from six 100 mm rings from eBay seller Combat Super Store, for $44 shipped. This would lead to a Litz coil of about 4.5 to 5 inches in diameter, depending on the coil/ferrite gap you choose. There would likely be enough room for a MW coil using moderately-thick Litz wire, especially with a large-value varicap such as the 684 pF model from zlowe7. Having built a few FSLs of this size with bars and rods, the performance doesn't match up with FSLs of 8 or 10 inches in diameter, so I wouldn't think that it would be worth the cost. However, I encourage someone with $44 burning a hole in their pocket to give it a shot :-)

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA


--- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <michael.setaazul@> wrote:

Expanding on this idea, has anyone tried using a row of
25mm or larger dia RF ferrite cores simulating a
thick hollow ferrite rod in a budget FSL?

Are diameter and length or is the mass of ferrite inside
the coil more determinant?

A smaller coil diameter might be in part offset by greater
length if more cores were used, pressed firmly together,
and/or by using a trangular array of three rows of cores,
thereby increasing the mass of ferrite.

Pre-empting experimental results, what performance
might theory suggest?

Ferrite cores are, I know not why, more affordable than
a recommended number of rods or bars. However, the
cost-performance ratio might not be better.

Michael UK

----- Original Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------

From:Kevin S
Subject: Working with shorter (and cheaper) ferrites - The Backpack FSL

I've been swamped at work lately, but have managed to do some experimenting with Ferrite Sleeve Loop
(FSL) antennas using shorter ferrites, seeing if smaller and cheaper FSLs are possible. Graham's
initial FSL article indicated that ferrite length in itself is not a critical parameter: it is the
coil of wire that receives the signal, not the ferrite. As long as there is sufficient ferrite in
the vicinity of the coil, providing the "FSL effect" if you will, the signal developed in the coil
should be the same. Some of Steve R.'s experiments earlier this year seemed to confirm this.

To test this, I recently built what I call the Backpack FSL, a summary of which is now posted here
in the Files Section, in the "Ferrite Sleeve Loop Antenna" folder (bottom of the main Files page).
This design uses 65 mm (about 2.5 inch) ex-Soviet NOS ferrite rods, which are of the same #400
ferrite material as most other ex-Soviet ferrite. I have also started to rough out a large FSL
using the 62 mm Soviet bars, sold by at least a couple eBay sellers, which run about three for a
dollar depending on the quantity.

. . .


Recent Ultralight Logs

John Cereghin <jcereghin@...>
 

Some ultralight logs from the past few days, mainly on the DT-200VX
and PL-310 barefoot:

October 25, 2011
1160 WODY, Fieldale VA, 0850, mentions of Martinsville and
“Southside”, into ESPN, new URL log
920 WYBY, Cortland NY, 1830, nice sacred traditional music, BBN liner
(Bible Broadcasting Network)

October 27, 2011
1600 WAOS, Austell GA. 2200, Spanish, Rancheria mx, “La major de
Atlanta” liner at 2200, on late with day power after other DXer
reports, 641 miles, new ULR and overall log

October 29, 2011
1440 WRED, Westbrook ME, 0820, ads for “Maine State Lottery”, program
on “Sea Dogs Radio” and "The Big Jab" liners, 405 miles, new ULR and
overall log, a nice surprise here

Now at 811 ultralight logs and 985 logs overall.


--
John Cereghin WDX3IAO  KB3LYP
Smyrna, Delaware
My radio page http://wdx3iao.wordpress.com/ (please note NEW site!)
The Ultralight Scoreboard
http://wdx3iao.wordpress.com/the-ultralight-scoreboard-2/ (NEW site!)


Re: Working with shorter (and cheaper) ferrites - The Backpack FSL

Kevin Schanilec
 

Hi Micheal:

I forgot to mention, in response to your other question: Steve R.'s experiments showed that ferrite length doesn't add sensitivity, but only adds to the inductance. So, wrapping a couple more turns around shorter ferrites would give the same inductance, and at least equal performance. As long as you don't run out of space to wind the coil, the shorter ferrites appear to provide the same result. This matched what Graham reported in his theory discussion.

Kevin

--- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <michael.setaazul@...> wrote:

Expanding on this idea, has anyone tried using a row of
25mm or larger dia RF ferrite cores simulating a
thick hollow ferrite rod in a budget FSL?

Are diameter and length or is the mass of ferrite inside
the coil more determinant?

A smaller coil diameter might be in part offset by greater
length if more cores were used, pressed firmly together,
and/or by using a trangular array of three rows of cores,
thereby increasing the mass of ferrite.

Pre-empting experimental results, what performance
might theory suggest?

Ferrite cores are, I know not why, more affordable than
a recommended number of rods or bars. However, the
cost-performance ratio might not be better.

Michael UK

----- Original Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------

From:Kevin S
Subject: Working with shorter (and cheaper) ferrites - The Backpack FSL

I've been swamped at work lately, but have managed to do some experimenting with Ferrite Sleeve Loop
(FSL) antennas using shorter ferrites, seeing if smaller and cheaper FSLs are possible. Graham's
initial FSL article indicated that ferrite length in itself is not a critical parameter: it is the
coil of wire that receives the signal, not the ferrite. As long as there is sufficient ferrite in
the vicinity of the coil, providing the "FSL effect" if you will, the signal developed in the coil
should be the same. Some of Steve R.'s experiments earlier this year seemed to confirm this.

To test this, I recently built what I call the Backpack FSL, a summary of which is now posted here
in the Files Section, in the "Ferrite Sleeve Loop Antenna" folder (bottom of the main Files page).
This design uses 65 mm (about 2.5 inch) ex-Soviet NOS ferrite rods, which are of the same #400
ferrite material as most other ex-Soviet ferrite. I have also started to rough out a large FSL
using the 62 mm Soviet bars, sold by at least a couple eBay sellers, which run about three for a
dollar depending on the quantity.

. . .


Re: Working with shorter (and cheaper) ferrites - The Backpack FSL

Kevin Schanilec
 

Hi Michael:

Thanks for your post. I have thought about it some, and I think the problem is that the coil itself would be very small. An FSL with rings of ferrite would be easy to make (no ferrite winding form is needed), and IMO would be very cool to look at! However, based on the various FSLs I have assembled and torn apart, it is the diameter of the coil of wire, not the ferrite, that is primarily responsible for grabbing the RF energy, and increasing the coil size is the primary factor in a more sensitive FSL.

Another aspect: using rings would put the ferrites, and the gaps between them, parallel to the Litz wire, rather than the wire running perpendicular to the ferrites and gaps as with bars & rods. My sense, based on a limited understanding of electromagnetic theory, is that the latter is actually preferable, although I could be wrong. Anybody know more on this???

There are materials available to check all this out, though. I see that a 100 mm (4 inch) diameter ferrite sleeve, 54 mm (2 inches) long could be assembled from six 100 mm rings from eBay seller Combat Super Store, for $44 shipped. This would lead to a Litz coil of about 4.5 to 5 inches in diameter, depending on the coil/ferrite gap you choose. There would likely be enough room for a MW coil using moderately-thick Litz wire, especially with a large-value varicap such as the 684 pF model from zlowe7. Having built a few FSLs of this size with bars and rods, the performance doesn't match up with FSLs of 8 or 10 inches in diameter, so I wouldn't think that it would be worth the cost. However, I encourage someone with $44 burning a hole in their pocket to give it a shot :-)

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA

--- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <michael.setaazul@...> wrote:

Expanding on this idea, has anyone tried using a row of
25mm or larger dia RF ferrite cores simulating a
thick hollow ferrite rod in a budget FSL?

Are diameter and length or is the mass of ferrite inside
the coil more determinant?

A smaller coil diameter might be in part offset by greater
length if more cores were used, pressed firmly together,
and/or by using a trangular array of three rows of cores,
thereby increasing the mass of ferrite.

Pre-empting experimental results, what performance
might theory suggest?

Ferrite cores are, I know not why, more affordable than
a recommended number of rods or bars. However, the
cost-performance ratio might not be better.

Michael UK

----- Original Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------

From:Kevin S
Subject: Working with shorter (and cheaper) ferrites - The Backpack FSL

I've been swamped at work lately, but have managed to do some experimenting with Ferrite Sleeve Loop
(FSL) antennas using shorter ferrites, seeing if smaller and cheaper FSLs are possible. Graham's
initial FSL article indicated that ferrite length in itself is not a critical parameter: it is the
coil of wire that receives the signal, not the ferrite. As long as there is sufficient ferrite in
the vicinity of the coil, providing the "FSL effect" if you will, the signal developed in the coil
should be the same. Some of Steve R.'s experiments earlier this year seemed to confirm this.

To test this, I recently built what I call the Backpack FSL, a summary of which is now posted here
in the Files Section, in the "Ferrite Sleeve Loop Antenna" folder (bottom of the main Files page).
This design uses 65 mm (about 2.5 inch) ex-Soviet NOS ferrite rods, which are of the same #400
ferrite material as most other ex-Soviet ferrite. I have also started to rough out a large FSL
using the 62 mm Soviet bars, sold by at least a couple eBay sellers, which run about three for a
dollar depending on the quantity.

. . .


Re: Sudden very weakaudio on my modified PL-380

ginger_92@rocketmail.com
 

Low Batteries?

Ginger OKC

--- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick " <aunumero73@...> wrote:

Hi all,

This morning, my 7" loopstick PL-380 shows a VERY WEAK audio level. Reception is fine as usual, but I have to set the volume to 20 or 25 to have a decent audio (usually, it is set to abt 7 to 10).

Any idea ?

Patrick, south east France


Sudden very weakaudio on my modified PL-380

Patrick <aunumero73@...>
 

Hi all,

This morning, my 7" loopstick PL-380 shows a VERY WEAK audio level. Reception is fine as usual, but I have to set the volume to 20 or 25 to have a decent audio (usually, it is set to abt 7 to 10).

Any idea ?

Patrick, south east France


Re: Working with shorter (and cheaper) ferrites - The Backpack FSL

Michael <michael.setaazul@...>
 

Expanding on this idea, has anyone tried using a row of
25mm or larger dia RF ferrite cores simulating a
thick hollow ferrite rod in a budget FSL?

Are diameter and length or is the mass of ferrite inside
the coil more determinant?

A smaller coil diameter might be in part offset by greater
length if more cores were used, pressed firmly together,
and/or by using a trangular array of three rows of cores,
thereby increasing the mass of ferrite.

Pre-empting experimental results, what performance
might theory suggest?

Ferrite cores are, I know not why, more affordable than
a recommended number of rods or bars. However, the
cost-performance ratio might not be better.

Michael UK

----- Original Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------

From:Kevin S
Subject: Working with shorter (and cheaper) ferrites - The Backpack FSL

I've been swamped at work lately, but have managed to do some experimenting with Ferrite Sleeve Loop
(FSL) antennas using shorter ferrites, seeing if smaller and cheaper FSLs are possible. Graham's
initial FSL article indicated that ferrite length in itself is not a critical parameter: it is the
coil of wire that receives the signal, not the ferrite. As long as there is sufficient ferrite in
the vicinity of the coil, providing the "FSL effect" if you will, the signal developed in the coil
should be the same. Some of Steve R.'s experiments earlier this year seemed to confirm this.

To test this, I recently built what I call the Backpack FSL, a summary of which is now posted here
in the Files Section, in the "Ferrite Sleeve Loop Antenna" folder (bottom of the main Files page).
This design uses 65 mm (about 2.5 inch) ex-Soviet NOS ferrite rods, which are of the same #400
ferrite material as most other ex-Soviet ferrite. I have also started to rough out a large FSL
using the 62 mm Soviet bars, sold by at least a couple eBay sellers, which run about three for a
dollar depending on the quantity.

. . .


Two new Graveyards tonite

ferrite61 <dxrx@...>
 

As I have done each year since 2004 October means World Series DXing. This year things were not going well at all not capturing a new station, and thought I might get shut-out. This weeks' DX assignment was the 1200's, and most usuals were there. Tonite I was rewarded on GY 1230 kHz with two ID's and partial game. Both were early in the evening between 2100 and 2130 EDT.

First was a noisy, but intelligible "ESPN 1230 WMML" at 2103 EDT, theres a lot of in and out on 1230 around here, and I caught quite a bit of variety. Basically the PL-200's meter is 4/5 or 5/5 most of the time. Bits and pieces of the play-by play were in and out for the next 1/2 hour. So I figured I was at least hearing ESPN radio coverage. I then heard a pair of quick calls for WIX(BDPT) in the clutter... the WIX was clear, but it could be any of the 4 as the last letter. Fortunately, this solves as only WIXT, and nothing WYX_.

As luck would have it both stations are running ESPN, and both would be b'casting the WS game 7, so I don't know which of the two or both stations I was hearing with regards to the play-by-play.


WMML 1230kHz 1000W from Glens Falls, NY 215km fair/poor using PL-200

WIXT 1230kHz 1000W from Little Falls, NY 263km poor/brief PL-200

These are stations #510 and 511 and GY #59 and 60.

A tip of the cap to the Cardinals, and St. Louis native son David Freese.

Paul S. in CT


Working with shorter (and cheaper) ferrites - The Backpack FSL

Kevin Schanilec
 

Hi all:

I've been swamped at work lately, but have managed to do some experimenting with Ferrite Sleeve Loop (FSL) antennas using shorter ferrites, seeing if smaller and cheaper FSLs are possible. Graham's initial FSL article indicated that ferrite length in itself is not a critical parameter: it is the coil of wire that receives the signal, not the ferrite. As long as there is sufficient ferrite in the vicinity of the coil, providing the "FSL effect" if you will, the signal developed in the coil should be the same. Some of Steve R.'s experiments earlier this year seemed to confirm this.

To test this, I recently built what I call the Backpack FSL, a summary of which is now posted here in the Files Section, in the "Ferrite Sleeve Loop Antenna" folder (bottom of the main Files page). This design uses 65 mm (about 2.5 inch) ex-Soviet NOS ferrite rods, which are of the same #400 ferrite material as most other ex-Soviet ferrite. I have also started to rough out a large FSL using the 62 mm Soviet bars, sold by at least a couple eBay sellers, which run about three for a dollar depending on the quantity.

With both of these "short ferrite" designs, in all my testing I have found that shorter ferrites are the performance equivalent of the longer/bigger ferrites when compared with my 12" FSL with 160 mm (6.5 inch) ferrites, *WITH* a couple provisos. The first is that the shorter ferrites obviously will only accommodate so many turns of wire in the coil, perhaps 30 or so turns depending on the wire diameter: not an issue with MW, but potentially so on LW.

The other proviso is that the shorter ferrites do not put out as strong a magnetic field with which a radio can passively couple. With a reasonably sensitive Ultralight or other portable radio, the resulting SNR and audio are the same as with the FSL with much longer ferrites, although in many cases you may have to hold the radio somewhat closer to the Backpack FSL. On the other hand, if the radio is not very sensitive at the desired frequency, such as the stock Tecsun PL-380 on much of the LW band, then the longer ferrites' coupling field can make a noticeable difference. However, every radio I have does just fine on MW, and even a basic "stealth" modification to the PL-380 mostly corrects the LW shortcomings.

So, this may open up a couple new avenues for FSL design. The article referenced above has further design, construction and testing details.

Good DX to you - Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA


ULR DX One New One @ Sunset

Dave Hascall
 

I had a few minutes to dial around tonight and was rewarded with a new one for the overall log.  I caught some oldies music between Shelbyville, IN and OKC and was rewarded with a WQCT ID.  Bryan, Ohio 500w/250w CH/5w nights.  I would assume that they were on with the 250 watts CH and that would be a nice catch.  Also had someone under Cincy on 1530 but with Cincy's weird, distorted audio, I could not catch much.  Also caught WHBC-OH on 1480 which might be new to the ULR book.

1520 WQCT OH Bryan 10/28 1815 P-F with Local ads, OLD and ID string:  "More music, less talk, WQCT Bryan". NEW! DH-IN

DH-IN / Dave Hascall / Indianapolis / Eton E-100 / EDT


Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma

Gary DeBock
 

Hello Ron, Peter, Ginger, Michael and All,

Welcome to our Ultralightdx Yahoo group, Ron, and we are very happy to
have another Oklahoma ULR-DXer in our growing community! Oklahoma has
always been a "hot spot" for Ultralight DXing, primarily because of the
influence of our late co-Founder, Dr. John Bryant (ex-Professor of
Architecture at Oklahoma State University, in Stillwater). John would
typically spend the winter and spring months DXing in Oklahoma, then
move to his second home here in Washington state (on Orcas Island) to
enjoy summer and fall TP-DXing with the local gang. Because of his
influence, both Oklahoma and Washington state are hot spots for
Ultralight radio DXing.

Peter, there are a couple of reasons why FSL's (Ferrite Sleeve Loop
antennas) are not likely to be sold commercially any time soon, even
though they are highly effective for portable radio DXing. The main
problem is the cost of the ferrite rods, which makes the antenna's cost
quite a bit higher than many DXers are willing to pay. The use of
surplus Russian ferrite rods can keep the cost down to about $150 for
an effective 7" diameter version, but even that price level is
excessive for many DXers in the current troubled economy. The supply of
these Russian surplus ferrite rods is also uncertain; they must be
ordered from overseas eBay sellers in the Ukraine, who are unlikely to
tell us exactly how much stock they have, and are always out to get as
many rubles as possible. There is a stable supply of American-made
ferrite rods available, but at about three times the cost of these
Russian surplus rods. For these reasons FSL antennas are unlikely to be
sold commercially anytime soon, even though the current DXer demand for
them is very high.

73, Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA)

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Laws <plaws0@gmail.com>
To: ultralightdx <ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 10:53 am
Subject: Re: [ultralightdx] Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma





On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:47, keith beesley <keith1226@yahoo.com>
wrote:




Sorry, I meant "ferrite sleeve loop," not "sleep loop", although that
could refer to the sleep you lose while DXing, haha.







Ferrite Sleep Loss?  :-)


I don't have the time of inclination that you guys do to actually build
one of these, but I'd sure like the option to buy one.  Anyone considering building them for sale?


Seems like the price would be in the $100 range or am I low?
 
--
Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!


Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma

Michael <michael.setaazul@...>
 

Keith, I move that the group adopt the
new, creative designation "sleep loop"

:-)

Michael UK

----- Original Message -----

Sorry, I meant "ferrite sleeve loop," not "sleep loop", although
that could refer to the sleep you lose while DXing, haha.

Keith


Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma

Peter Laws
 

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:47, keith beesley <keith1226@...> wrote:


Sorry, I meant "ferrite sleeve loop," not "sleep loop", although that could refer to the sleep you lose while DXing, haha.


Ferrite Sleep Loss?  :-)

I don't have the time of inclination that you guys do to actually build one of these, but I'd sure like the option to buy one.  Anyone considering building them for sale?

Seems like the price would be in the $100 range or am I low?
 
--
Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!


Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma

keith beesley
 

Sorry, I meant "ferrite sleeve loop," not "sleep loop", although that could refer to the sleep you lose while DXing, haha.

Keith


From: keith beesley
To: "ultralightdx@..."
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [ultralightdx] Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma

 
Welcome, Ron.

You'll find a lot of info on several types of antennas, including loops, in the "files" and "photos" sections. If you see references to the "FSL", that stands for "ferrite sleep loop"; I'll let you discover on your own what that is ;-).

73,

Keith Beesley
Seattle WA


From: Ron
To: ultralightdx@...
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:21 AM
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma

 
Thanks for the welcome. I'm happy to meet you. I live in the 6th floor of a senior housing tower. I am limited to what can be done with inside antennas. I'd love to hear from folks in similar situation as to what types of loops etc are being used. I need to find an article or two and make a loop.

Ron

>
>
> For some reason, Oklahoma is a hotbed of Ultralight folks. I'm in
> Norman, Ginger(?), I think, is in OKC, he "Allen Boys" are up in Ponca
> and Perry, and now you in Miamuh.
>
> Welcome!
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
>






Newfoundland Ultralight Radio Trans-Atlantics & Domestic Report Oct 27-28, 2011

Allen Willie
 

Hello To All,

Unusual propagation continues here in the "Hope" even after the subsiding solar disturbance. A number of rarer stations making a presence last evening including the West Sahara station on 1550. 1 new station added to the overall log as well.

990-SPAIN-SER Bilbao 21:36 UTC Oct 27 Spanish talk ( no CBY-Cornerbrook at the time)
1008-CANARY ISLANDS-R. Punto Las Palmas 21:46 UTC Oct 27 Sports commentary (fair)
1035-ESTONIA-R. Eli , Tartu 22:25 UTC Oct 27 music & talk in Estonian
1035-PORTUGAL-Star FM , Belmonte 1:45 UTC Oct 28 Billy Joel song, ID (fair)
1107-SPAIN-R. Nacional 21:12 UTC Oct 27 Spanish talk (good)
1116-SPAIN-SER Pontevedra 1:48 UTC Oct 28 Spanish talk by woman ( Very Strong)
1134-CROATIA-Glas Hrvatske, Rasinovac 22:26 UTC Oct 27 close of English program , ID
1206-FRANCE-France Info Bordeaux-Neac 21:20 UTC Oct 27 French talk
1251-LIBYA-R. Libya Tripoli 21:34 UTC Oct 27 Arabic talk
1260-SPAIN-SER Murcia 23:02 UTC Oct 27 Spanish talk (good)
1314-SPAIN-R. Naciona, various 1:50 UTC Oct 28 Spanish music & talk (Good)
1350-FRANCE-R. Orient Nice 22:32 UTC Oct 27 Arabic programming (good)
1386-SPAIN-Euskadi Irratia, Bilbao 21:14 UTC Oct 27 sports commentary (good)
1413-SPAIN-R. Nacional , Jaen 21:10 UTC Oct 27 Spanish political talk
1422-ALGERIA-R. Culture, Alger 21:11 UTC Oct 27 Arabic chanting (alone on freq with no Germany which is usually dominant)
1431-DJIBOUTI-R. Sawa, Arta 21:27 UTC Oct 27 American pop songs, Arabic talk, ID
1440-LUXEMBOURG-China Radio Relay, Marnach 23:02 UTC Oct 27 news in English (good)
1449-LIBYA-Voice of Free Libya Meserata 21:21 UTC Oct 27 Arabic talk (good)
1467-FRANCE-Transworld Radio, Romoules Relay 22:03UT Oct 27 Religious prgrm in English (Like A Local)
1485-SPAIN-SER various 21:13 UTC Oct 27 Sports commentary (good) //1287, 1584, 1602
1494-GREECE-ERA Sport Rhodes 1:56 UTC Oct 27 Greek talk & music // 1512 ***NEW** (AW-Overall)
1503-SPAIN-R. Nacional, various 22:02 UTC Oct 27 News in Spanish (this one is rare at this location, usually Iran dominates)
1521-SAUDI ARABIA-BSKSA, Duba 21:11 UTC Oct 27 Chants, Arabic talk (Very Good)
1521-SPAIN-SER Castellon 21:28 UTC Oct 27 Spanish sports commentary // 1485 (Audible while Saudi Arabia off the air for short period)
1550-ALGERIA – R. Democratic Sahara , Rabuni 23:10 UTC Oct 27 Arabic talk, ment. of Morocco , ID (first showing of this one, this fall season)
1557-FRANCE-France Info, Nice-Fontbonne 21:29 UTC Oct 27 French talk by woman
1575-ITALY-RAI1 Genova 21:32 UTC Oct 27 Italian talk (Very Strong)
1602-SPAIN-Euskadi Irratia, R. Vitoria Cerro Estibaliz 21:27 UTC Oct 27 music, Spanish talk



Receivers: SRF-M37V, SRF-39FP , SRF-59 barefoot

Good DX

Allen Willie & Dianne Froude
Bristol's Hope,Newfoundland
47:43N 53:11W
http://nldxers.summerhost.info


Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma

keith beesley
 

Welcome, Ron.

You'll find a lot of info on several types of antennas, including loops, in the "files" and "photos" sections. If you see references to the "FSL", that stands for "ferrite sleep loop"; I'll let you discover on your own what that is ;-).

73,

Keith Beesley
Seattle WA


From: Ron
To: ultralightdx@...
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:21 AM
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma

 
Thanks for the welcome. I'm happy to meet you. I live in the 6th floor of a senior housing tower. I am limited to what can be done with inside antennas. I'd love to hear from folks in similar situation as to what types of loops etc are being used. I need to find an article or two and make a loop.

Ron

>
>
> For some reason, Oklahoma is a hotbed of Ultralight folks. I'm in
> Norman, Ginger(?), I think, is in OKC, he "Allen Boys" are up in Ponca
> and Perry, and now you in Miamuh.
>
> Welcome!
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!
>




Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma

ginger_92@rocketmail.com
 

Hi Ron, good to see another Oklahoma ULRer here. Like you, I like to see what can be done with minimum equipment, it's fun! Yes, I am in OKC but might be tranfered back to ST Louis just in time for winter, oh boy. Have fun!!

Ginger OKC

--- In ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com, Peter Laws <plaws0@...> wrote:

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:02, Ron <keltic_cherokee@...> wrote:
Hello I am happy to have found this group.
I enjoy trying to get Maximum results with
minimum equipment.

Looking forward to many good times here

Ron H.  ..... KD8CVK
Miami,Ok

For some reason, Oklahoma is a hotbed of Ultralight folks. I'm in
Norman, Ginger(?), I think, is in OKC, he "Allen Boys" are up in Ponca
and Perry, and now you in Miamuh.

Welcome!



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Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!


Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma

Ron
 

Thanks for the welcome. I'm happy to meet you. I live in the 6th floor of a senior housing tower. I am limited to what can be done with inside antennas. I'd love to hear from folks in similar situation as to what types of loops etc are being used. I need to find an article or two and make a loop.

Ron



For some reason, Oklahoma is a hotbed of Ultralight folks. I'm in
Norman, Ginger(?), I think, is in OKC, he "Allen Boys" are up in Ponca
and Perry, and now you in Miamuh.

Welcome!



--
Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!


Re: Hello from Miami Oklahoma

Peter Laws
 

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:02, Ron <keltic_cherokee@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello I am happy to have found this group.
I enjoy trying to get Maximum results with
minimum equipment.

Looking forward to many good times here

Ron H.  ..... KD8CVK
Miami,Ok

For some reason, Oklahoma is a hotbed of Ultralight folks. I'm in
Norman, Ginger(?), I think, is in OKC, he "Allen Boys" are up in Ponca
and Perry, and now you in Miamuh.

Welcome!



--
Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train!


Hello from Miami Oklahoma

Ron
 

Hello I am happy to have found this group.
I enjoy trying to get Maximum results with
minimum equipment.

Looking forward to many good times here

Ron H. ..... KD8CVK
Miami,Ok

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