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Re: Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 9-19

Gary DeBock
 

Hi Byron,
 
Thanks for your suggestion. Yes, I've done a few experiments by tapping off some turns, and using switches both for reduced coil inductance, and for adding capacitance to lower a loop's tuning frequency. I haven't yet run A/B DX signal reception tests to determine how well these modified loops stack up against the fully-symmetrical models, but there is a lot more experimentation that could be done. Since the largest PVC loops are always outside, everything must be waterproofed, and made as secure as possible to withstand heavy wind.
 
After my initial experimentation to develop the large-size (6' sided and larger) PVC Loops in the spring of last year, most of the additional work has been to develop practical portable PVC Loops, which can be quickly disassembled to fit inside a compact car trunk for DXpeditions. There is a world of additional experimentation that could be done with these cheap and effective antennas, which I personally believe hold the greatest potential for making Ultralight radios very competitive with table receivers in all-out DXing (at least here on the west coast :-).
 
73, Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA)
 
         
 
In a message dated 9/20/2010 5:30:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wa8lcz@... writes:

 

hi gary,

have you tried tapping off a few turns on your 9 ft loop for the higher freqs (1000 to 1700 kc)? I use 2 turns for hi freqs and 6 turns for low freqs (530-1000 kc) on my 34 inch loop and it works pretty well, across the entire band. you could use a relay to select 2 or 6 turns.

byron

--- In ultralightdx@..., D1028Gary@... wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thanks for your comments on the TP-DX reports, and of course I knew that
> these that these monster loops would be strictly outdoor animals in rainy
> western Washington, so they were designed with some serious weather
> protection.
>
> Like I was telling Bruce on the IRCA list, even Guy Atkins (4 miles away to
> the SE, in Puyallup) and I have major differences in our TP-DXing results,
> with Guy pulling in far more high-band TP's and me pulling in more
> low-band TP's. Part of this may be related to our soil differences (he's on a
> rocky hill, while I'm in a fertile river valley), but the main reason may be
> our completely different antenna systems. The 9' PVC Loop (like all tuned
> passive loops) has its highest "Q" and best performance on the lower tuned
> frequencies, and its combination of very high gain and single-frequency
> optimization can be fairly potent from 530 kHz up to about 900 kHz. In comparison
> to single-loop directional antennas (like those used by Guy and Bruce),
> the 9' PVC loop loses this relative advantage when tuning the higher AM
> frequencies, and both of these DXers can routinely receive high-band TP audio
> that doesn't show up here. So it's essentially a bizarre situation where the
> 9' PVC loop seems to be an overachiever on the lower AM frequencies, and
> an underachiever (relative to Flags, Pennants, K9AY's, etc.) on the higher
> AM frequencies. Guy and I have known about the strange differences in our
> TP-DXing results for some time, and plan some additional tests on this
> fascinating subject as rare free time allows.
>
> 73, Gary
>
> In a message dated 9/19/2010 4:31:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> satya@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Another impressive list, Gary! I hope you don't get too wet standing
> under your skyscraper loop every morning - maybe take a couple more pieces
> of PVC and put an awning on it :-)
>
> I second what Brice P. said earlier - what a difference 40 miles makes, as
> your list is quite different from mine in some regards. 837-China was in
> good here as it was with Bruce, and 693 was easily the best of the JJ big
> guns here. 1287-JJ was pretty good at times as well. I heard two
> stations on 657, judging by the dueling hets, but again 660-KAPS foiled
> any plans to hear them; I have reversed the direction of my super loop to
> have a northward null, so perhaps things will be easier tomorrow.
> 1566-HLAZ was good all morning, but 1575 was but a light het.
>
> Kevin S
> Bainbridge Island, WA
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > It was another China morning here, with moderate signals showing up on
> > various new frequencies like 684 and 1044 kHz. There were no dramatic
> > fade-ins
> > (like yesterday's 657-China) and signals in general were not at
> > yesterday's
> > strong levels, but the morning was another indication of shifting
> > propagation bringing more Chinese areas into play. The Japanese and
> > Korean stations
> > seemed a little down in strength compared to previous days, though, and
> > "big gun" TP audio didn't sound very big this morning.
> >
> > Rare decent audio on 684 kHz was observed here for the first time this
> > season around 1330 (apparent Chinese), and CRI on 1044 kHz had its best
> > signal
> > of the season so far with its Japanese language program around 1335. The
> > CNR1 stations on 639 and 756 had their best audio so far, and 927 and 936
> > kHz took turns producing fair audio. In comparison to these, audio from
> > the
> > other typically strong Asians on 603, 648, 657, 666, 675 and 738 was off
> > in
> > strength a little, and the NHK stations weren't especially vibrant.
> >
> > One interesting find around 1325 was a strong, ragged carrier on 702 kHz
> > (a
> > frequency with severe 710-Seattle splatter here), which sounded like a
> > typical (rickety) North Korean transmitter. No TP has ever been logged on
> > 702
> > (or 711) here because of the oppressive KIRO splatter, but the 702 kHz
> > signal disappeared right after the huge 9' loop was wrestled around in an
> > optimistic attempt to null KIRO (easier said than done :-) It's great to
> > have
> > Walt's TP reports back from Masset-- a location in a completely different
> > Asiatic propagation league than Puyallup!
> >
> > The following were received on a C.Crane SWP Slider model (7.5"
> loopstick)
> > inductively coupled to a 9' sided PVC tuned passive loop in the back
> > yard:
> >
> > 594 JOAK Tokyo, Japan Fair-good with Japanese conversation around 1312
> > 603 TP-Mix UnID Chinese station having the edge over HLSA Korean at
> > 1308
> > 639 CNR1 (Many stations in China) Fair-good Chinese speech and music,
> > 1338
> > 648 VOR Razdolnoye, Russia Chinese program at fair strength w/ fades,
> > 1321
> > 657 Pyongyang BS, N. Korea All alone this morning but usually at fair
> > strength
> > 666 JOBK Osaka, Japan In and out with Japanese speech at anemic
> > strength
> > 675 VOV Hanoi, Vietnam Fair Vietnamese signals in 680 splatter, 1318
> > 684 UnID Fair Chinese speech fading in suddenly around 1337; first
> > Asian
> > audio
> > heard on this frequency since last season, but no ID clues
> > 702 UnID Strong ragged carrier presumed from NK, but too much KIRO
> > splatter
> > at 1325 to dig out the funky audio
> > 738 BEL2 Penghu, Taiwan Fair Chinese speech over a presumed HKLG in
> > this typical September mix
> > 747 JOIB Sapporo, Japan Fair-good signals no match for KXL splatter at
> > 1323
> > 756 CNR1 China Fair-good Chinese program at 1335, best sigs of season
> > so
> > far
> > 774 JOUB Akita, Japan NHK2 program barely audible in severe KTTH slop,
> > 1311
> > 783 UnID Threshold audio (apparently Chinese) showing up on this
> > frequency
> > 891 TP-Mix An anonymous collection of weak TP stations drowning each
> > other out
> > 927 China (presumed) Weak to fair Chinese program fading in and out
> > repeatedly
> > 936 China (presumed) Slightly stronger than 927 with Chinese speech at
> > 1318
> > 972 HLCA Dangjin, S. Korea Weaker than usual with Korean program at
> > 1337
> > 1035 China (presumed) Fair-good Chinese speech and music for most of
> > morning
> > 1044 CRI Jiangsu, China Good signals (best of season) with Japanese
> > language
> > external program at 1335
> > 1053 Korean Jammer Not as vibrant as usual this morning, but no TP
> > co-channels
> > 1134 TP-Mix A typical snarl of JOQR and KBS at good strength around
> > 1338
> > 1377 China (presumed) In and out with poor to fair audio for most of
> > morning
> > 1566 HLAZ Jeju, S. Korea Good strength with Japanese religious program
> > at 1306
> > 1575 VOA Ban Rassom, Thailand Fair Asiatic language audio around 1302
> > 1593 China (presumed) Threshold audio with deep fades for most of
> > morning
> >
> > 73 and Good DX,
> > Gary DeBock
> >
> >
> >
>


Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 9-20

Gary DeBock
 

Hello All,
 
Asian propagation this morning had an interesting pattern, as more and more Chinese stations produced fair audio across the MW spectrum, but without any increase in the "big gun" Asiatic TP strength. Somewhat rare (for here) 1053-Mandarin Chinese audio was received at 1333 at a decent level as the Korean Jammer faded temporarily, and both 1035 (Chinese) and 1044 (Japanese from CRI in China) were fairly vibrant. The NHK big guns were coming in with average strength, as were the "best bets" from some other Asian countries (648-VOR, 657-Pyongyang, and 675-Vietnam). Like Patrick, I had traces of a presumed Thailand under 891-JOHK, and also had a presumed China under 828-JOBB (both of which have been fairly regular here this week). Congratulations to Patrick for his first ULR-TP reception on the modified PL-380, and also to Richard Allen of Perry, Oklahoma for receiving 594-JOAK, 693-JOAB and 774-JOUB on his modified Tecsun PL-310 this morning.
 
The following were received on a C.Crane SWP Slider model (7.5" loopstick) inductively coupled to a 9' sided PVC tuned passive loop in the back yard:
 
585  JOPG  Kushiro, Japan  Poor Japanese audio in and out around 1310, // 594
594  JOAK  Tokyo, Japan  Good Japanese conversational program at 1311
603  HLSA  Namyang, S. Korea  Fair Korean over UnID Chinese around 1312
639  CNR1  (many stations in China)  Fair-good Chinese speech and music, 1318
648  VOR  Razdolnoye, Russia  Chinese program in and out at good strength, 1320
657  Pyongyang BS  Emotional Korean lady all alone at fair strength at 1313; no
          sign of Chinese co-channel  http://www.mediafire.com/?om7xd5xzjfj4aqq 
666  JOBK  Osaka, Japan  Another NHK "big gun" with very average signals
675  VOV  Hanoi, Vietnam  Faded in and out with male-female VV news, 1315
738  BEL2  Penghu, Taiwan  Weak-fair playing Chinese pop music o/HLKG, 1339
747  JOIB  Sapporo, Japan  Strongest of the Japanese NHK stations here this
          morning, but troubled as usual by KXL splatter
774  JOUB Akita, Japan  Fair signal in avalanche of KTTH splatter around 1330
828  JOBB  Osaka, Japan  Typical of the Japanese "big guns" with fair-good audio
          around 1315, occasional weak CC http://www.mediafire.com/?l0xr94fg22n3f9g
891  JOHK  Sendai, Japan  Fair with NHK1 program over presumed Thailand
891  UnID  Male-female conversation in presumed Thai weakly under JOHK, 1331
927  China (presumed) Threshold audio in and out throughout morning
936  China (presumed)  Poor-fair Chinese speech around 1335, deep fades
972  HLCA  Dangjin, S. Korea  Music and Korean speech at fair-good strength 1305
1017  UnID  Weak TP mix on this frequency around 1332, possibly China and Japan
1035  CNR1  Fair-good Chinese music program holding steady for most of morning
1044  CRI  Jiangsu, China  Japanese external program at fair-good strength, 1340
1053  UnID-China  Mandarin Chinese YL at fair-good level as Jammer faded; no idea
          who, but heard once here last October http://www.mediafire.com/?ao65vl8wev4vxs1 
1053  Korea Jammer  Losing its punch here this morning; UnID Chinese about equal
1134  TP-Mix  JOQR (Japanese) and KBS (Korean) in a typical September shootout
          at good level this morning 1323  http://www.mediafire.com/?ao65vl8wev4vxs1
1377  CNR1  (many stations) Fair-good Chinese speech for most of morning
1566  HLAZ  Jeju, S. Korea  Fair strength w/deep fades (Japanese program), 1302
1575  VOA  Ban Rassom, Thailand  Asiatic language program fair to poor, 1301
1593  China (presumed)  Threshold audio at best from 1330-1345
 
73 and Good DX,
Gary DeBock
 
 
 
               


New MW Logs

Jim <va3jno@...>
 

Radios Used...............................................barefoot Tecsun PL 380 and Sony SRF-59
Total ULR Loggings (Port Dover)..............331

1280 WONW Defiance OH. "WONW" ID only, heard at 1919 EDT Sep 19. Very poor. 1kW/500W.

1310 WNAE Warren PA. "WNAE, your 24 hour talk radio station" at 1930 EDT Sep 19. Poor for ID then gone. 5kW/94W.

1260 WNDE Indianapolis IN. 2 men discussing the quarterback situation for the Philadelphia Eagles. FSR and Fox Sports mentioned several times. "12-60 WNDE Indianapolis" at 2000 EDT Sep 19. Poor to very poor in WRIE partial null. 5kW.

670 CM? Unknown location, Cuba. Radio Rebelde. Music in Spanish, with a male DJ speaking between songs. IDed by matching to Internet feed at 2120 EDT Sep 19. Very poor generally, in WSCR null.

Jim Orcheson
Port Dover, Ontario


Patrick Martin of Seaside, OR -- a New ULR DXer

Gary DeBock
 

Hello All,
 
Last July during a family trip to the Oregon coast (primarily to chase DU's) I presented a newly modified Tecsun PL-380 model (with a 7.5" transplanted loopstick) to Patrick Martin of Seaside, Oregon-- perhaps the most famous of all the west coast TP-DXers. This morning he posted his first report using the radio-- so let's hope that he becomes as excited about ULR-DXing as we are!
 
73, Gary DeBock
(in Puyallup, WA, USA)
 
________________________________________________________________________________________
 
(Re-posted from the IRCA list)
 
 Here on the Oregon Coast, cx stated out rather poor at 1300, but by 1330
peaked right up. The Tecsum barefoot had a local-like signal on 774,
matching KGO in signal.  On the R8 using the NW EWE, Vietnam 675 and 549
were both coming in 675 at S7-8 and 549 at S3-4. JOKR-954 and JOLF-1242
were also good. Bits on Thailand on 891 u/JJ was also noted.  NHK1 on
963 //594. Also lots of Alaskans noted dominating the channels like
KDLG-670, KBBI-890.
Drake R8, Tescum 380, NW & NE EWEs
73,

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside Oregon 
"Come visit us for the 2010 IRCA convention held Sept 24-26 at the Inn
At Seaside."


Oklahoma TP's 9-20-10

bbwrwy
 

Good morning:

This morning was almost a repeat of yesterday with audible signals from JOAK 594, JOAB 693 and JOUB 774 a few minutes before 1216 UTC sunrise. JOAB and JOUB were heard broadcasting an English language lesson at 1206 and 1208 respectively. JOAK was fair with a man speaking rapidly up to 1216 then the signal faded away suddenly.

A few hets were also noted:
648 het in slop from CKOM and XETNT 650 at 1158.
702 heard at 1212.
828 probably JOBB at 1210
972 probably HLCA from 1118 until 1220, very strong at times, but only audio heard was from WDAY 970.

I hope you were able to hear a TP this morning. Have a good day.

Richard.

Richard Allen
36°22'51"N / 97°26'35"W
(near Perry OK USA)


Re: Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 9-19

wa8lcz
 

hi gary,

have you tried tapping off a few turns on your 9 ft loop for the higher freqs (1000 to 1700 kc)? I use 2 turns for hi freqs and 6 turns for low freqs (530-1000 kc) on my 34 inch loop and it works pretty well, across the entire band. you could use a relay to select 2 or 6 turns.

byron

--- In ultralightdx@..., D1028Gary@... wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for your comments on the TP-DX reports, and of course I knew that
these that these monster loops would be strictly outdoor animals in rainy
western Washington, so they were designed with some serious weather
protection.

Like I was telling Bruce on the IRCA list, even Guy Atkins (4 miles away to
the SE, in Puyallup) and I have major differences in our TP-DXing results,
with Guy pulling in far more high-band TP's and me pulling in more
low-band TP's. Part of this may be related to our soil differences (he's on a
rocky hill, while I'm in a fertile river valley), but the main reason may be
our completely different antenna systems. The 9' PVC Loop (like all tuned
passive loops) has its highest "Q" and best performance on the lower tuned
frequencies, and its combination of very high gain and single-frequency
optimization can be fairly potent from 530 kHz up to about 900 kHz. In comparison
to single-loop directional antennas (like those used by Guy and Bruce),
the 9' PVC loop loses this relative advantage when tuning the higher AM
frequencies, and both of these DXers can routinely receive high-band TP audio
that doesn't show up here. So it's essentially a bizarre situation where the
9' PVC loop seems to be an overachiever on the lower AM frequencies, and
an underachiever (relative to Flags, Pennants, K9AY's, etc.) on the higher
AM frequencies. Guy and I have known about the strange differences in our
TP-DXing results for some time, and plan some additional tests on this
fascinating subject as rare free time allows.

73, Gary

In a message dated 9/19/2010 4:31:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
satya@... writes:




Another impressive list, Gary! I hope you don't get too wet standing
under your skyscraper loop every morning - maybe take a couple more pieces
of PVC and put an awning on it :-)

I second what Brice P. said earlier - what a difference 40 miles makes, as
your list is quite different from mine in some regards. 837-China was in
good here as it was with Bruce, and 693 was easily the best of the JJ big
guns here. 1287-JJ was pretty good at times as well. I heard two
stations on 657, judging by the dueling hets, but again 660-KAPS foiled
any plans to hear them; I have reversed the direction of my super loop to
have a northward null, so perhaps things will be easier tomorrow.
1566-HLAZ was good all morning, but 1575 was but a light het.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA

Hello All,

It was another China morning here, with moderate signals showing up on
various new frequencies like 684 and 1044 kHz. There were no dramatic
fade-ins
(like yesterday's 657-China) and signals in general were not at
yesterday's
strong levels, but the morning was another indication of shifting
propagation bringing more Chinese areas into play. The Japanese and
Korean stations
seemed a little down in strength compared to previous days, though, and
"big gun" TP audio didn't sound very big this morning.

Rare decent audio on 684 kHz was observed here for the first time this
season around 1330 (apparent Chinese), and CRI on 1044 kHz had its best
signal
of the season so far with its Japanese language program around 1335. The
CNR1 stations on 639 and 756 had their best audio so far, and 927 and 936
kHz took turns producing fair audio. In comparison to these, audio from
the
other typically strong Asians on 603, 648, 657, 666, 675 and 738 was off
in
strength a little, and the NHK stations weren't especially vibrant.

One interesting find around 1325 was a strong, ragged carrier on 702 kHz
(a
frequency with severe 710-Seattle splatter here), which sounded like a
typical (rickety) North Korean transmitter. No TP has ever been logged on
702
(or 711) here because of the oppressive KIRO splatter, but the 702 kHz
signal disappeared right after the huge 9' loop was wrestled around in an
optimistic attempt to null KIRO (easier said than done :-) It's great to
have
Walt's TP reports back from Masset-- a location in a completely different
Asiatic propagation league than Puyallup!

The following were received on a C.Crane SWP Slider model (7.5"
loopstick)
inductively coupled to a 9' sided PVC tuned passive loop in the back
yard:

594 JOAK Tokyo, Japan Fair-good with Japanese conversation around 1312
603 TP-Mix UnID Chinese station having the edge over HLSA Korean at
1308
639 CNR1 (Many stations in China) Fair-good Chinese speech and music,
1338
648 VOR Razdolnoye, Russia Chinese program at fair strength w/ fades,
1321
657 Pyongyang BS, N. Korea All alone this morning but usually at fair
strength
666 JOBK Osaka, Japan In and out with Japanese speech at anemic
strength
675 VOV Hanoi, Vietnam Fair Vietnamese signals in 680 splatter, 1318
684 UnID Fair Chinese speech fading in suddenly around 1337; first
Asian
audio
heard on this frequency since last season, but no ID clues
702 UnID Strong ragged carrier presumed from NK, but too much KIRO
splatter
at 1325 to dig out the funky audio
738 BEL2 Penghu, Taiwan Fair Chinese speech over a presumed HKLG in
this typical September mix
747 JOIB Sapporo, Japan Fair-good signals no match for KXL splatter at
1323
756 CNR1 China Fair-good Chinese program at 1335, best sigs of season
so
far
774 JOUB Akita, Japan NHK2 program barely audible in severe KTTH slop,
1311
783 UnID Threshold audio (apparently Chinese) showing up on this
frequency
891 TP-Mix An anonymous collection of weak TP stations drowning each
other out
927 China (presumed) Weak to fair Chinese program fading in and out
repeatedly
936 China (presumed) Slightly stronger than 927 with Chinese speech at
1318
972 HLCA Dangjin, S. Korea Weaker than usual with Korean program at
1337
1035 China (presumed) Fair-good Chinese speech and music for most of
morning
1044 CRI Jiangsu, China Good signals (best of season) with Japanese
language
external program at 1335
1053 Korean Jammer Not as vibrant as usual this morning, but no TP
co-channels
1134 TP-Mix A typical snarl of JOQR and KBS at good strength around
1338
1377 China (presumed) In and out with poor to fair audio for most of
morning
1566 HLAZ Jeju, S. Korea Good strength with Japanese religious program
at 1306
1575 VOA Ban Rassom, Thailand Fair Asiatic language audio around 1302
1593 China (presumed) Threshold audio with deep fades for most of
morning

73 and Good DX,
Gary DeBock



Battery test on PL-210

ferrite61 <dxrx@...>
 

I got a rather poor 32 hours on an initial test. That works out to about 85ma... about triple the current of the PL-200. Any one else want to leave theirs on continuous for a double check?

Paul S. in CT


Re: Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 9-19

Gary DeBock
 

HI Richard--
 
You really are doing great-- those TP frequencies weren't all that strong on the west coast yesterday morning.
 
You certainly have been getting great TP "mileage" from your PL-310 + 7.5" loopstick combo, and with the new season just starting to provide its best Asiatic propagation, you should have a lot more excitement in store. Hopefully others will join you (and me) in the peak season TP bonanza!
 
73, Gary    
 
In a message dated 9/19/2010 5:58:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, richarda@... writes:

 

Gary:

I'd not planned to DX this morning, but awoke early enough to hear a few TP signals. While nothing spectacular was heard it was as always a thrill to hear medium wave signals from the Orient. All were logged using a PL-310 and 7.5" loop stick.

594 JOAK, Tokyo J, fair, readable audio at 1203 UTC, fading away at 1211. The first JOAK audio this season.
648 Unid., slight het noted at 1210 and 1212.
693 JOAB, Tokyo J, fair, readable audio in KGGF and Unid. 690 splash at 1206-1210. The first time this season.
774 JOUB, Akita J, fair, readable at 1208-1214, fading away afterward (local sunrise 1215).
828 Presumed JOBB, slight het at 1214.
972 Presumed HLCA, very strong hat 1144.

I checked 567, 657, 666, 747, 1053, 1134 and 1566 several times hearing nothing.

I'm sure any listener west of the Mississippi River could have heard JOAK, JOAB and JOUB this morning. They were also audible on a barefoot PL-310. The only difficult part of hearing TP's is getting out of bed when you're awaken by the alarm clock!

Good DX everyone.

Richard.

Richard Allen
36°22'51"N / 97°26'35"W
(near Perry OK USA)

--- In ultralightdx@..., D1028Gary@... wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> It was another China morning here, with moderate signals showing up on
> various new frequencies like 684 and 1044 kHz. There were no dramatic fade-ins
> (like yesterday's 657-China) and signals in general were not at yesterday's
> strong levels, but the morning was another indication of shifting
> propagation bringing more Chinese areas into play. The Japanese and Korean stations
> seemed a little down in strength compared to previous days, though, and
> "big gun" TP audio didn't sound very big this morning.
>
> Rare decent audio on 684 kHz was observed here for the first time this
> season around 1330 (apparent Chinese), and CRI on 1044 kHz had its best signal
> of the season so far with its Japanese language program around 1335. The
> CNR1 stations on 639 and 756 had their best audio so far, and 927 and 936
> kHz took turns producing fair audio. In comparison to these, audio from the
> other typically strong Asians on 603, 648, 657, 666, 675 and 738 was off in
> strength a little, and the NHK stations weren't especially vibrant.
>
> One interesting find around 1325 was a strong, ragged carrier on 702 kHz (a
> frequency with severe 710-Seattle splatter here), which sounded like a
> typical (rickety) North Korean transmitter. No TP has ever been logged on 702
> (or 711) here because of the oppressive KIRO splatter, but the 702 kHz
> signal disappeared right after the huge 9' loop was wrestled around in an
> optimistic attempt to null KIRO (easier said than done :-) It's great to have
> Walt's TP reports back from Masset-- a location in a completely different
> Asiatic propagation league than Puyallup!
>
> The following were received on a C.Crane SWP Slider model (7.5" loopstick)
> inductively coupled to a 9' sided PVC tuned passive loop in the back yard:
>
> 594 JOAK Tokyo, Japan Fair-good with Japanese conversation around 1312
> 603 TP-Mix UnID Chinese station having the edge over HLSA Korean at 1308
> 639 CNR1 (Many stations in China) Fair-good Chinese speech and music,
> 1338
> 648 VOR Razdolnoye, Russia Chinese program at fair strength w/ fades,
> 1321
> 657 Pyongyang BS, N. Korea All alone this morning but usually at fair
> strength
> 666 JOBK Osaka, Japan In and out with Japanese speech at anemic strength
> 675 VOV Hanoi, Vietnam Fair Vietnamese signals in 680 splatter, 1318
> 684 UnID Fair Chinese speech fading in suddenly around 1337; first Asian
> audio
> heard on this frequency since last season, but no ID clues
> 702 UnID Strong ragged carrier presumed from NK, but too much KIRO
> splatter
> at 1325 to dig out the funky audio
> 738 BEL2 Penghu, Taiwan Fair Chinese speech over a presumed HKLG in
> this typical September mix
> 747 JOIB Sapporo, Japan Fair-good signals no match for KXL splatter at
> 1323
> 756 CNR1 China Fair-good Chinese program at 1335, best sigs of season so
> far
> 774 JOUB Akita, Japan NHK2 program barely audible in severe KTTH slop,
> 1311
> 783 UnID Threshold audio (apparently Chinese) showing up on this
> frequency
> 891 TP-Mix An anonymous collection of weak TP stations drowning each
> other out
> 927 China (presumed) Weak to fair Chinese program fading in and out
> repeatedly
> 936 China (presumed) Slightly stronger than 927 with Chinese speech at
> 1318
> 972 HLCA Dangjin, S. Korea Weaker than usual with Korean program at 1337
> 1035 China (presumed) Fair-good Chinese speech and music for most of
> morning
> 1044 CRI Jiangsu, China Good signals (best of season) with Japanese
> language
> external program at 1335
> 1053 Korean Jammer Not as vibrant as usual this morning, but no TP
> co-channels
> 1134 TP-Mix A typical snarl of JOQR and KBS at good strength around 1338
> 1377 China (presumed) In and out with poor to fair audio for most of
> morning
> 1566 HLAZ Jeju, S. Korea Good strength with Japanese religious program
> at 1306
> 1575 VOA Ban Rassom, Thailand Fair Asiatic language audio around 1302
> 1593 China (presumed) Threshold audio with deep fades for most of
> morning
>
> 73 and Good DX,
> Gary DeBock
>


Re: Sellers - PL-380

Rik
 

I haven't bought from them, but several Ebay sellers offer a bonus item like that, or reduced shipping if you bundle headphones or antennas with a radio. So if you want the accessory, you may find a bargain if you read all the listings for the radio you want. The PL-360 was listed with two prices from the same seller, depending if you wanted an extra external antenna or not.- FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@..., "theod438" <theod438@...> wrote:

I notice one of the eBay sellers of the PL-380 is listing a Tecsun AN-05 antenna as an extra carrot.

http://cgi.ebay.com/TECSUN-PL-380-DSP-ETM-PLL-WORLD-BAND-RADIO-PL380-/220525702939?pt=Shortwave_Radios&hash=item33585b2f1b

Is this the same as the "stock" external antenna that would come with the unit from everyone anyway? And has anyone dealt with this seller?

Thanks for any advice,

Theo


Single winding on ferrite in 911-9012?-FARMERIK

Rik
 

Is there a single winding on the ferrite rods in these analog ULR sets?
I was curious if I could use the antennas and transformers I had made for the PL-360 on the analog sets, at least the AM BCB ones? I realize the ferrite in the analog radio would have to be by passed. I don't own those analog sets. or I would look myself.
I also realize any difference in inductance would shift the frequency coverage of the AM band. - FARMERIK


Re: Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 9-19

bbwrwy
 

Gary:

I'd not planned to DX this morning, but awoke early enough to hear a few TP signals. While nothing spectacular was heard it was as always a thrill to hear medium wave signals from the Orient. All were logged using a PL-310 and 7.5" loop stick.

594 JOAK, Tokyo J, fair, readable audio at 1203 UTC, fading away at 1211. The first JOAK audio this season.
648 Unid., slight het noted at 1210 and 1212.
693 JOAB, Tokyo J, fair, readable audio in KGGF and Unid. 690 splash at 1206-1210. The first time this season.
774 JOUB, Akita J, fair, readable at 1208-1214, fading away afterward (local sunrise 1215).
828 Presumed JOBB, slight het at 1214.
972 Presumed HLCA, very strong hat 1144.

I checked 567, 657, 666, 747, 1053, 1134 and 1566 several times hearing nothing.

I'm sure any listener west of the Mississippi River could have heard JOAK, JOAB and JOUB this morning. They were also audible on a barefoot PL-310. The only difficult part of hearing TP's is getting out of bed when you're awaken by the alarm clock!

Good DX everyone.

Richard.

Richard Allen
36°22'51"N / 97°26'35"W
(near Perry OK USA)

--- In ultralightdx@..., D1028Gary@... wrote:

Hello All,

It was another China morning here, with moderate signals showing up on
various new frequencies like 684 and 1044 kHz. There were no dramatic fade-ins
(like yesterday's 657-China) and signals in general were not at yesterday's
strong levels, but the morning was another indication of shifting
propagation bringing more Chinese areas into play. The Japanese and Korean stations
seemed a little down in strength compared to previous days, though, and
"big gun" TP audio didn't sound very big this morning.

Rare decent audio on 684 kHz was observed here for the first time this
season around 1330 (apparent Chinese), and CRI on 1044 kHz had its best signal
of the season so far with its Japanese language program around 1335. The
CNR1 stations on 639 and 756 had their best audio so far, and 927 and 936
kHz took turns producing fair audio. In comparison to these, audio from the
other typically strong Asians on 603, 648, 657, 666, 675 and 738 was off in
strength a little, and the NHK stations weren't especially vibrant.

One interesting find around 1325 was a strong, ragged carrier on 702 kHz (a
frequency with severe 710-Seattle splatter here), which sounded like a
typical (rickety) North Korean transmitter. No TP has ever been logged on 702
(or 711) here because of the oppressive KIRO splatter, but the 702 kHz
signal disappeared right after the huge 9' loop was wrestled around in an
optimistic attempt to null KIRO (easier said than done :-) It's great to have
Walt's TP reports back from Masset-- a location in a completely different
Asiatic propagation league than Puyallup!

The following were received on a C.Crane SWP Slider model (7.5" loopstick)
inductively coupled to a 9' sided PVC tuned passive loop in the back yard:

594 JOAK Tokyo, Japan Fair-good with Japanese conversation around 1312
603 TP-Mix UnID Chinese station having the edge over HLSA Korean at 1308
639 CNR1 (Many stations in China) Fair-good Chinese speech and music,
1338
648 VOR Razdolnoye, Russia Chinese program at fair strength w/ fades,
1321
657 Pyongyang BS, N. Korea All alone this morning but usually at fair
strength
666 JOBK Osaka, Japan In and out with Japanese speech at anemic strength
675 VOV Hanoi, Vietnam Fair Vietnamese signals in 680 splatter, 1318
684 UnID Fair Chinese speech fading in suddenly around 1337; first Asian
audio
heard on this frequency since last season, but no ID clues
702 UnID Strong ragged carrier presumed from NK, but too much KIRO
splatter
at 1325 to dig out the funky audio
738 BEL2 Penghu, Taiwan Fair Chinese speech over a presumed HKLG in
this typical September mix
747 JOIB Sapporo, Japan Fair-good signals no match for KXL splatter at
1323
756 CNR1 China Fair-good Chinese program at 1335, best sigs of season so
far
774 JOUB Akita, Japan NHK2 program barely audible in severe KTTH slop,
1311
783 UnID Threshold audio (apparently Chinese) showing up on this
frequency
891 TP-Mix An anonymous collection of weak TP stations drowning each
other out
927 China (presumed) Weak to fair Chinese program fading in and out
repeatedly
936 China (presumed) Slightly stronger than 927 with Chinese speech at
1318
972 HLCA Dangjin, S. Korea Weaker than usual with Korean program at 1337
1035 China (presumed) Fair-good Chinese speech and music for most of
morning
1044 CRI Jiangsu, China Good signals (best of season) with Japanese
language
external program at 1335
1053 Korean Jammer Not as vibrant as usual this morning, but no TP
co-channels
1134 TP-Mix A typical snarl of JOQR and KBS at good strength around 1338
1377 China (presumed) In and out with poor to fair audio for most of
morning
1566 HLAZ Jeju, S. Korea Good strength with Japanese religious program
at 1306
1575 VOA Ban Rassom, Thailand Fair Asiatic language audio around 1302
1593 China (presumed) Threshold audio with deep fades for most of
morning

73 and Good DX,
Gary DeBock


Sellers - PL-380

theod438 <theod438@...>
 

I notice one of the eBay sellers of the PL-380 is listing a Tecsun AN-05 antenna as an extra carrot.

http://cgi.ebay.com/TECSUN-PL-380-DSP-ETM-PLL-WORLD-BAND-RADIO-PL380-/220525702939?pt=Shortwave_Radios&hash=item33585b2f1b

Is this the same as the "stock" external antenna that would come with the unit from everyone anyway? And has anyone dealt with this seller?

Thanks for any advice,

Theo


Re: G8 vs CR-1100 preliminary AM BCB report-FARMERIK

dhsatyadhana <satya@...>
 

Hi Gary:

It's now available on eBay, item 130432531984 from tquchina. $140 plus $40 shipping, which comes with a case and other goodies.

So, can you tell us how it performs now???

Kevin

--- In ultralightdx@..., D1028Gary@... wrote:

Hello Richard,

Yes, you are absolutely correct.

The radio is the new Redsun RP007, a waterproofed, shock-resistant AM-FM-SW
portable radio apparently designed by Redsun according to a demanding
order by the Russian military. The radio is specifically designed to withstand
severe weather conditions, so that a special agent out in the field could
receive radio communication despite rain, severe cold, or even dropping the
radio in a river (!).

The original plan was to report to the group about the awesome survival
capabilities of this new portable radio (which actually has very good AM
reception, similar to an RP2100 with better IF filtering), but for some reason
Redsun never found a seller to market the radio on eBay for export (the
Chinese domestic price is around $140 on Taobao), so until an eBay seller
offers the model for sale, I don't have any source to recommend to potential
purchasers. To make this story even more bizarre, the anonymous eBay seller
who sent me this free radio (which he received free from Redsun) is now no
longer selling on eBay, having gone through a stretch of poor health, which
caused delayed radio shipments to send his feedback rating from 100% down to
97%.

The entire episode is like something straight out of a spy thriller. So my
free Redsun RP007 (despite its awesome survival construction) now still
awaits a purchasing source for North American hobbyists, before I can post a
full review on it.

73, Gary DeBock


In a message dated 1/3/2010 1:31:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lrdheat@... writes:




Gary,

I think that you mentioned awhile back that a company was letting you test
a new, possibly great mw radio (doesn't matter to me if it is not a
ulr...). Is there reason for us to hope that a new, great radio is in the
offing???

Happy New Year!

Heatwave

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, D1028Gary@..., 1/2/10, D<D1028Gary@...> wrote:



From: D1028Gary@...<D1028Gary@...>
Subject: Re: [ultralightdx] Re: G8 vs CR-1100 preliminary AM BCB
report-FARMERIK
To: ultralightdx@To: ultraligTo:
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 11:05 PM




Hello Farmerik,

All of the radios you mentioned (G8, PL-380, CR-1110 and PL-600) are on
hand here, in this overcrowded shack.

The CR-1110 is a rather odd bird that has far better AM sensitivity on the
high frequencies (especially the X band) than on the middle and low band.
It was tested extensively against an aligned Sony ICF-S5W on all
frequencies from 530-1700 kHz, and was found inferior in sensitivity to that classic
model on most AM frequencies, but clearly superior on the X band. It also
did not suffer from the ICF-S5W's severe image reception issue, of course.

I did a mini-review of the CR-1100 back in June, which may be of interest
to you. Some of the information is dated (such as the praise of the
PL-300WT, the only DSP model available at the time), but the rest should give you
detailed impressions on the model. Hope you enjoy it!

73 and Have Fun, Gary



Hello All,



Very impressed with the performance of the new Tecsun PL-300WT DSP-enhanced

Ultralight radio on medium-wave, it was a natural decision to place an

order with Amazon.com for the new full-sized Tecsun CR-1100 AM-FM
portable,

which uses the same innovative Si430/31 DSP chip from Silicon Labs. Today
my

new CR-1100 portable arrived from Kaito Electronics after a 4-day delay,

and payment of $69.99 plus $13.00 shipping (by USPS Priority Mail).



The CR-1100 is strictly a Chinese-market portable, to the extent that all

of the controls are labeled only in Chinese. Despite this, Kaito has

provided a very basic (and poorly translated) English manual, as well as
the

standard and far more thorough Chinese manual. The AM frequency steps have
also

been reprogrammed to 10 kHz, matching the North American market.



Immediately after arrival, the radio's out-of-the-box AM performance was

tested against a fully aligned Sony ICF-S5W portable (which has had the

frequency coverage extended to 1700 kHz). The comparison of these two
radios

proved to be very interesting, and showed that while the CR-1100 has some

good DXing potential on AM, it also has some puzzling shortcomings.



In comparison to the PL-300WT's sharp DSP-enhanced selectivity, the CR-1100

had a tough time going up against the ICF-S5W, with its common 455 kHz

Murata filter. Local slop on the CR-1100 was more troublesome than on the

PL-300WT, making it seem like Tecsun programmed the DSP chip to provide a

wider selectivity setting on this music-oriented receiver. The ICF-S5W was
able

to weakly receive KPQ-560 in the null of semi-local KVI-570 in the early

afternoon, while the CR-1100 could only produce KVI splatter. Low-band

sensitivity on the CR-1100 was very good, but not quite up to the
class-leading

ICF-S5W standard. Although the CR-1100's low-band sensitivity will match

that of the PL-300WT, unlike the PL-300WT, the CR-1100 cannot tune in 1
kHz

steps, making it impossible to chase TP's on the 9 kHz splits.



The CR-1100 versus ICF-S5W contest became much more competitive on the high

band, however, and on the X-band the new Tecsun was clearly far more

sensitive than the classic Sony portable. In fact, the CR-1100 sets a new

standard for X-band sensitivity among portables, having weak signal
performance

never experienced in extensive testing here. Weak fringe stations that were


barely audible on the ICF-S5W had solid audio on the Tecsun.



Also notable in the CR-1100 was the complete freedom from image reception

of local stations, a major shortcoming of the classic ICF-S5W. The Sony's

image reception detracts greatly from its otherwise stellar performance,
but

the Tecsun DSP chip appears to have solved the problem entirely.



After the out-of-the-box performance test, the CR-1100 was disassembled to

check the loopstick construction, and the possibility of alignment. Both

the PL-300WT and CR-1100 were designed to have a "no alignment" RF system,
in

which the DSP chip ensures maximum performance without loopstick peaking,

or adjustment of a 1400 kHz trimmer. In the CR-1100, there is a 4.25" x

.36" single-coil loopstick in the middle of the cabinet, which seems
rather

odd because of the extensive cabinet space on both sides which would allow


placement of a much longer ferrite bar, if desired. Alignment was attempted


by shifting the coil, but this had no effect on the CR-1100's sensitivity
on

any AM frequency. Apparently DXers will need to accept the CR-1100's

sensitivity as delivered, unless they wish to transplant a larger ferrite
bar

with a coil of equal inductance (which is certainly possible with all the

extra cabinet space).



The CR-1100 also has a sensitive FM section, although again, for some

unknown reason it seemed slightly less sensitive than that of the PL-300WT.


Perhaps there is a greater impedance mismatch with the CR-1100's short whip


antenna, but in any case the PL-300WT Ultralight can receive more weak FM

fringe stations here than the CR-1100.



The CR-1100 has a large music-oriented speaker and excellent audio, with

analog tone and volume control knobs. The 8-ohm speaker has a 1-watt rated

output. The radio also has 300 memories, and various digital tuning

capabilities. It operates on 4 "D" batteries, and comes in an attractive

black-brown cabinet. It is available from Amazon.com (via Kaito
Electronics) for

$69.99 plus $13.00 shipping.



So after the full evaluation, what would be the CR-1100 verdict for a

dedicated medium-wave DXer? If you are a domestic DXer that concentrates on
the

upper frequencies (especially the X-Band), the new CR-1100 would be tough

to beat. Its upper-band sensitivity (and generally good selectivity) is

likely to set a new standard for contemporary portables. Urban DXers will

appreciate the complete freedom from image reception, and general freedom
from

spurious products. Hobbyists who enjoy music reception will not be

disappointed in the CR-1100's audio qualities. However, if you wish to
chase

transoceanic DX, or wish to experience the maximum potential of the
exciting new

Silicon Labs DSP chip, my recommendation would be to pass on the CR-1100--

and go for the new PL-300WT Ultralight model. Its 1 kHz tuning ability and

stellar selectivity (plus superior FM sensitivity) make it the obvious

choice for most medium-wave DXers.



73 and Best Wishes,



Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA)








*

* _farmerik@cox. net_
(http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=farmerik@...) writes:





OK, now I get it. Sort of like the audio version of the screen break-up on
digital video. I can see why it would be a problem for really weak signal
DXing, however on my G8 I don't think I will miss any station strong enough
to actually listen to.
Both the G8 and CR-1100 hear weak stations with less noise and
interference than my analog radios, but miss all the really weak signals entirely. The
CR-1100 is significantly more sensitive and has less noise on its weak
stations though. Anyone have a PL-380 AND a CR-1100 to compare? My new PL-600
seems MUCH more sensitive than the CR-1100. - FARMERIK

--- In _ultralightdx@ yahoogroups. com_ (http://us.mc576.mail.yah
oo.com/mc/compose?to=ultralightdx@...) , Richard Berler <lrdheat@ >
wrote:

The soft mute occurs when tuned exactly on frequency on weak signals
that vary between s/n's of 0, and s/n's that rise above zero...instead of a
smooth rise or fall in the audible signal, the signal sounds like it is
flickering. The set, if soft mute is the default mode (as it is on the G8 and
PL-310), will semi mute the signal of a station that falls below (or rises
above) a certain threshold of signal strength, resulting in the flickering
of the audible signal.
Â
Heatwave

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, farmerik <farmerik@ .> wrote:


From: farmerik <farmerik@ .>
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: G8 vs CR-1100 preliminary AM BCB
report-FARMERIK
To: _ultralightdx@ yahoogroups. com_
(http://us.mc576.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ultralightdx@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 9:49 AM


Â




I used to use WICC as a test for a good radio in the daytime. It is much
closer to Westport than I am in the Northeast of CT, while Westport and
Naugatuck [WICC] are in the Southwest part of the state. Since you used to
live in the area, I'll mention some call letters next time.

Maybe I need some help understanding exactly what the dreaded soft mute
sounds like. Is it only a problem when tuned one or two Kc. off? Or is it
the mute which happens before you couple an external loop, and you have to
change frequency, and come back after the loop is in place? Maybe something
else entirely? - FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@ yahoogroups. com, Richard Berler <lrdheat@ > wrote:

Thanks!
ÂÂ
Also, check to see if there is a pumping on marginal-weak daytime
signals (the dreaded soft mute).
ÂÂ
I used to live in Westport, CT. From there, I needed a good radio to
get WBZ and WPRO during the daytime, and to get WCAU, KYW, and WFIL?(560)
from Philly.
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Heatwave
Streets of Laredo, TX!
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--- On Fri, 1/1/10, farmerik <farmerik@ .> wrote:


From: farmerik <farmerik@ .>
Subject: [ultralightdx] Re: G8 vs CR-1100 preliminary AM BCB
report-FARMERIK
To: ultralightdx@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 7:21 PM


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I'll see what I can do. I usually don't listen in the daytime.-
FARMERIK

--- In ultralightdx@ yahoogroups. com, Richard Berler <lrdheat@ >
wrote:

Happy New Year!
> > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ
Can you do some mid-day testing, and post your observations?
ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ
Thanks!
ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ
Heatwave
> > --- On Thu, 12/31/09, farmerik <farmerik@ .> wrote:


From: farmerik <farmerik@ .>
Subject: [ultralightdx] G8 vs CR-1100 preliminary AM BCB
report-FARMERIK
To: ultralightdx@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 11:31 PM


ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ

>
I've had the G8 for a couple months, since joining here, but just
got my CR-1100 today. Both have the same DSP chip I believe. The CR only
tunes in 10 Kc. steps on the AM BCB, but I believe it can be programed for 9
Kc. steps too.[You can not 'slope tune' it off a Kc. or two to escape an
adjacent much stronger station.]

The CR-1100 is rated by Tecsun at 0.5mv/M with its larger ferrite
and the G8 is listed as 1mv/M. The CR-1100 is not really so much different
than a modified DSP ULR with larger ferrite, but I don't think it qualifies
for competition.

I placed the two radios side by side, facing the same direction,
running both on good alkaline batteries. I tuned three ten 'channel' bands,
700-790, 1000-1090 and 1500-1590, and took notes on each station I heard.
I'll summarize here. The CR is noticeably better on about 50% of the
frequencies, and about 1/3rd of those are substantial improvements. I got stations
on all but 6 of the 30 frequencies on both radios, so it is a good night
here in Connecticut.
> > As expected, the audio bandwidth on the CR sounds noticeably wider,
but what I didn't expect is that when ever there is back round noise, or a
second weak station is also heard, it is much quieter on the CR. I
expected wider selectivity to hear more noise and other stations not less. The
narrower G8 bandwidth seems to hurt, NOT help with interference.
> Also, I looked at the meters for dBa and s/n. Both numbers scrolled
all the time on strong and weak stations. The CR had +5 to +10 more units
on the dBu scale on average, and sometimes the differences were much
greater. The G8 ran +10 to +15 units on the s/n read out. I don't know what to
make of that, but probably they are not 'calibrated' or 'standardized' , so
it does not mean a thing. If anyone can explain it, I'm all ears.

I tried the TERK with both radios, and as before with the G8, it can
lower back round noise,but it does not seem to ever dig a weak station out
of noise like it does on a cheap portable.

-FARMERIK
> >




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Re: Good UL for FM ?? p.s.

theod438 <theod438@...>
 

Sony 7600 pocket-sized? Thems BIG pockets!

<grin>

Theo

--- In ultralightdx@..., "Kevin S" <satya@...> wrote:

The PL-390 is pocket-sized like the Sony 7600, better sound than the
PL-310/380 since it has two speakers, and the longer antenna makes it
about the best FM radio period, methinks. I highly recommend it.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA






Why not the tiny Tecsun PL-310 - Truely amazing DSP portable - Only from
ebay it seems though

On 19 September 2010 01:27, neilbellgroups <neil.bell@...>
wrote:



She wants a digital and not pocket sized - reasonable size like a 7600
or
smaller

Neil
KJ6FBA


--- In ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>,
keith beesley <keith1226@> wrote:

The current coat-pocket-sized Sony is the ICF-38:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_10?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=sony+icf38+portable+am+fm+radio&sprefix=sony+icf38

For some reason, my S10 MK2's receive weaker FM stations with greater
clarity when the whip antenna is fully collapsed:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICF-S10MK2-Pocket-Radio-Silver/dp/B00020S7XK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1284854897&sr=1-1

(I'm not necessarily endorsing Amazon, just stealing their pictures)

--- On Sat, 9/18/10, keith beesley <keith1226@> wrote:

From: keith beesley <keith1226@>
Subject: Re: [ultralightdx] Good UL for FM ??
To: ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 4:47 PM
Neil,

For general-purpose listening, you can't go wrong with a
Sony S10-MK2. Pocket-sized, good reception and speaker sound
for its size, good build quality, batteries last a long time
(analog tuning, no digital doodads to drain them). Widely
available new for $10-15. I keep a couple around the house
and in the cars for power failures, etc. Usable with
headphones or earbuds, but you'll need an adapter to make
the sound play in both ears.

For something a little larger, the Sony ICF-34 or the
equivalent (don't remember the current model no.).

Keith

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wrote:

From: neilbellgroups <neil.bell@>
Subject: [ultralightdx] Good UL for FM ??
To: ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 4:20 PM
No interest in Dxing but want to
recommend a GOOD FM broadcast radio (reasonably
small,
portable) for my daughter.

Neil Bell
KJ6FBA



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Re: Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 9-19

Gary DeBock
 

Hi Kevin,
 
Thanks for your comments on the TP-DX reports, and of course I knew that these that these monster loops would be strictly outdoor animals in rainy western Washington, so they were designed with some serious weather protection.
 
Like I was telling Bruce on the IRCA list, even Guy Atkins (4 miles away to the SE, in Puyallup) and I have major differences in our TP-DXing results, with Guy pulling in far more high-band TP's and me pulling in more low-band TP's. Part of this may be related to our soil differences (he's on a rocky hill, while I'm in a fertile river valley), but the main reason may be our completely different antenna systems. The 9' PVC Loop (like all tuned passive loops) has its highest "Q" and best performance on the lower tuned frequencies, and its combination of very high gain and single-frequency optimization can be fairly potent from 530 kHz up to about 900 kHz. In comparison to single-loop directional antennas (like those used by Guy and Bruce), the 9' PVC loop loses this relative advantage when tuning the higher AM frequencies, and both of these DXers can routinely receive high-band TP audio that doesn't show up here. So it's essentially a bizarre situation where the 9' PVC loop seems to be an overachiever on the lower AM frequencies, and an underachiever (relative to Flags, Pennants, K9AY's, etc.) on the higher AM frequencies. Guy and I have known about the strange differences in our TP-DXing results for some time, and plan some additional tests on this fascinating subject as rare free time allows.
 
73, Gary     
 
In a message dated 9/19/2010 4:31:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, satya@... writes:

 

Another impressive list, Gary! I hope you don't get too wet standing
under your skyscraper loop every morning - maybe take a couple more pieces
of PVC and put an awning on it :-)

I second what Brice P. said earlier - what a difference 40 miles makes, as
your list is quite different from mine in some regards. 837-China was in
good here as it was with Bruce, and 693 was easily the best of the JJ big
guns here. 1287-JJ was pretty good at times as well. I heard two
stations on 657, judging by the dueling hets, but again 660-KAPS foiled
any plans to hear them; I have reversed the direction of my super loop to
have a northward null, so perhaps things will be easier tomorrow.
1566-HLAZ was good all morning, but 1575 was but a light het.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA

> Hello All,
>
> It was another China morning here, with moderate signals showing up on
> various new frequencies like 684 and 1044 kHz. There were no dramatic
> fade-ins
> (like yesterday's 657-China) and signals in general were not at
> yesterday's
> strong levels, but the morning was another indication of shifting
> propagation bringing more Chinese areas into play. The Japanese and
> Korean stations
> seemed a little down in strength compared to previous days, though, and
> "big gun" TP audio didn't sound very big this morning.
>
> Rare decent audio on 684 kHz was observed here for the first time this
> season around 1330 (apparent Chinese), and CRI on 1044 kHz had its best
> signal
> of the season so far with its Japanese language program around 1335. The
> CNR1 stations on 639 and 756 had their best audio so far, and 927 and 936
> kHz took turns producing fair audio. In comparison to these, audio from
> the
> other typically strong Asians on 603, 648, 657, 666, 675 and 738 was off
> in
> strength a little, and the NHK stations weren't especially vibrant.
>
> One interesting find around 1325 was a strong, ragged carrier on 702 kHz
> (a
> frequency with severe 710-Seattle splatter here), which sounded like a
> typical (rickety) North Korean transmitter. No TP has ever been logged on
> 702
> (or 711) here because of the oppressive KIRO splatter, but the 702 kHz
> signal disappeared right after the huge 9' loop was wrestled around in an
> optimistic attempt to null KIRO (easier said than done :-) It's great to
> have
> Walt's TP reports back from Masset-- a location in a completely different
> Asiatic propagation league than Puyallup!
>
> The following were received on a C.Crane SWP Slider model (7.5" loopstick)
> inductively coupled to a 9' sided PVC tuned passive loop in the back
> yard:
>
> 594 JOAK Tokyo, Japan Fair-good with Japanese conversation around 1312
> 603 TP-Mix UnID Chinese station having the edge over HLSA Korean at
> 1308
> 639 CNR1 (Many stations in China) Fair-good Chinese speech and music,
> 1338
> 648 VOR Razdolnoye, Russia Chinese program at fair strength w/ fades,
> 1321
> 657 Pyongyang BS, N. Korea All alone this morning but usually at fair
> strength
> 666 JOBK Osaka, Japan In and out with Japanese speech at anemic
> strength
> 675 VOV Hanoi, Vietnam Fair Vietnamese signals in 680 splatter, 1318
> 684 UnID Fair Chinese speech fading in suddenly around 1337; first
> Asian
> audio
> heard on this frequency since last season, but no ID clues
> 702 UnID Strong ragged carrier presumed from NK, but too much KIRO
> splatter
> at 1325 to dig out the funky audio
> 738 BEL2 Penghu, Taiwan Fair Chinese speech over a presumed HKLG in
> this typical September mix
> 747 JOIB Sapporo, Japan Fair-good signals no match for KXL splatter at
> 1323
> 756 CNR1 China Fair-good Chinese program at 1335, best sigs of season
> so
> far
> 774 JOUB Akita, Japan NHK2 program barely audible in severe KTTH slop,
> 1311
> 783 UnID Threshold audio (apparently Chinese) showing up on this
> frequency
> 891 TP-Mix An anonymous collection of weak TP stations drowning each
> other out
> 927 China (presumed) Weak to fair Chinese program fading in and out
> repeatedly
> 936 China (presumed) Slightly stronger than 927 with Chinese speech at
> 1318
> 972 HLCA Dangjin, S. Korea Weaker than usual with Korean program at
> 1337
> 1035 China (presumed) Fair-good Chinese speech and music for most of
> morning
> 1044 CRI Jiangsu, China Good signals (best of season) with Japanese
> language
> external program at 1335
> 1053 Korean Jammer Not as vibrant as usual this morning, but no TP
> co-channels
> 1134 TP-Mix A typical snarl of JOQR and KBS at good strength around
> 1338
> 1377 China (presumed) In and out with poor to fair audio for most of
> morning
> 1566 HLAZ Jeju, S. Korea Good strength with Japanese religious program
> at 1306
> 1575 VOA Ban Rassom, Thailand Fair Asiatic language audio around 1302
> 1593 China (presumed) Threshold audio with deep fades for most of
> morning
>
> 73 and Good DX,
> Gary DeBock
>
>
>


Re: Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 9-19

Kevin S <satya@...>
 

Another impressive list, Gary! I hope you don't get too wet standing
under your skyscraper loop every morning - maybe take a couple more pieces
of PVC and put an awning on it :-)

I second what Brice P. said earlier - what a difference 40 miles makes, as
your list is quite different from mine in some regards. 837-China was in
good here as it was with Bruce, and 693 was easily the best of the JJ big
guns here. 1287-JJ was pretty good at times as well. I heard two
stations on 657, judging by the dueling hets, but again 660-KAPS foiled
any plans to hear them; I have reversed the direction of my super loop to
have a northward null, so perhaps things will be easier tomorrow.
1566-HLAZ was good all morning, but 1575 was but a light het.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA

Hello All,

It was another China morning here, with moderate signals showing up on
various new frequencies like 684 and 1044 kHz. There were no dramatic
fade-ins
(like yesterday's 657-China) and signals in general were not at
yesterday's
strong levels, but the morning was another indication of shifting
propagation bringing more Chinese areas into play. The Japanese and
Korean stations
seemed a little down in strength compared to previous days, though, and
"big gun" TP audio didn't sound very big this morning.

Rare decent audio on 684 kHz was observed here for the first time this
season around 1330 (apparent Chinese), and CRI on 1044 kHz had its best
signal
of the season so far with its Japanese language program around 1335. The
CNR1 stations on 639 and 756 had their best audio so far, and 927 and 936
kHz took turns producing fair audio. In comparison to these, audio from
the
other typically strong Asians on 603, 648, 657, 666, 675 and 738 was off
in
strength a little, and the NHK stations weren't especially vibrant.

One interesting find around 1325 was a strong, ragged carrier on 702 kHz
(a
frequency with severe 710-Seattle splatter here), which sounded like a
typical (rickety) North Korean transmitter. No TP has ever been logged on
702
(or 711) here because of the oppressive KIRO splatter, but the 702 kHz
signal disappeared right after the huge 9' loop was wrestled around in an
optimistic attempt to null KIRO (easier said than done :-) It's great to
have
Walt's TP reports back from Masset-- a location in a completely different
Asiatic propagation league than Puyallup!

The following were received on a C.Crane SWP Slider model (7.5" loopstick)
inductively coupled to a 9' sided PVC tuned passive loop in the back
yard:

594 JOAK Tokyo, Japan Fair-good with Japanese conversation around 1312
603 TP-Mix UnID Chinese station having the edge over HLSA Korean at
1308
639 CNR1 (Many stations in China) Fair-good Chinese speech and music,
1338
648 VOR Razdolnoye, Russia Chinese program at fair strength w/ fades,
1321
657 Pyongyang BS, N. Korea All alone this morning but usually at fair
strength
666 JOBK Osaka, Japan In and out with Japanese speech at anemic
strength
675 VOV Hanoi, Vietnam Fair Vietnamese signals in 680 splatter, 1318
684 UnID Fair Chinese speech fading in suddenly around 1337; first
Asian
audio
heard on this frequency since last season, but no ID clues
702 UnID Strong ragged carrier presumed from NK, but too much KIRO
splatter
at 1325 to dig out the funky audio
738 BEL2 Penghu, Taiwan Fair Chinese speech over a presumed HKLG in
this typical September mix
747 JOIB Sapporo, Japan Fair-good signals no match for KXL splatter at
1323
756 CNR1 China Fair-good Chinese program at 1335, best sigs of season
so
far
774 JOUB Akita, Japan NHK2 program barely audible in severe KTTH slop,
1311
783 UnID Threshold audio (apparently Chinese) showing up on this
frequency
891 TP-Mix An anonymous collection of weak TP stations drowning each
other out
927 China (presumed) Weak to fair Chinese program fading in and out
repeatedly
936 China (presumed) Slightly stronger than 927 with Chinese speech at
1318
972 HLCA Dangjin, S. Korea Weaker than usual with Korean program at
1337
1035 China (presumed) Fair-good Chinese speech and music for most of
morning
1044 CRI Jiangsu, China Good signals (best of season) with Japanese
language
external program at 1335
1053 Korean Jammer Not as vibrant as usual this morning, but no TP
co-channels
1134 TP-Mix A typical snarl of JOQR and KBS at good strength around
1338
1377 China (presumed) In and out with poor to fair audio for most of
morning
1566 HLAZ Jeju, S. Korea Good strength with Japanese religious program
at 1306
1575 VOA Ban Rassom, Thailand Fair Asiatic language audio around 1302
1593 China (presumed) Threshold audio with deep fades for most of
morning

73 and Good DX,
Gary DeBock



Re: Good UL for FM ?? p.s.

Kevin S <satya@...>
 

Stephen:

As far as I can tell, the front end is the same as the PL-310/380, and the
longer ferrite in the 390 would probably put even more signal into the
front end. The bottom line is that you have an incredibly extreme
situation, being so close to a large transmitter, that even top-grade
communications equipment would have trouble with. I have a couple 5-10 kw
transmitters three miles away, and 50 kw transmitters about 10-12 miles
away, and those cause challenges on my best gear - that's simply the way
it is.

Kevin

How good is the PL-390's AM front end? There have been times when I
wanted to hear what would have been a 15,01 or so signal (if the noise
floor was low enough to allow a somewhat stronger signal to be 15,25), but
a powerhouse local 10kHz away was producing 50,00 desense halfway across
the band. Would the PL-390 handle that better? If so, and if I could
hear 0.15mV/m 1290 KKDD with a better frequency response than local 1110
KDIS (which is IBOC, and KKDD is not, and probably broadcasts to 10kHz
analog) at my grandparents' house 1/3 mile from 23kW 1300 KAZN's
transmitter (whose towers you can see from their front yard, and btw it's
not IBOC), I might be interested in getting one to use as a clock or desk
radio.

--- In ultralightdx@..., "Kevin S" <satya@...> wrote:

Hi Byron:

The non-ULR PL-390 is a DSP set like the PL-310/380. In fact, it is
basically the PL-380 with a larger case to accommodate the extra
speaker,
larger whip antenna, and a few ergonomic goodies (it's a really good
clock-radio, has an mp3 input, etc.). So, it has no images or other
problems like a typical superhet receiver, either on AM or FM, unless
you
are near a powerful transmitter that is saturating the poor thing.

For those looking for the ultimate FM portable, I think this is it,
especially on the lower part of the band where the 35" whip noticeably
out-performs the 22" whip on the PL-310/380. All have the incredible DSP
filtering, which approaches that of the Sony XDR tuner. The PL-310 and
PL-390 have an outboard FM/SW antenna jack, which is very useful as
well.

The AM side of the Pl-390, like the PL-310/380, does have the tones on
various frequencies that many have reported. These seem to be a result
of
the 45 khz-ish digital IF that it uses. However, you get a tone, not an
image station, which to me is a big difference. My experience is that
the
tones can be gotten rid of, or at least substantially reduced, using
just
a Terk passive loop (which is small - the bigger the better). Also, the
PL-390 has a significantly larger ferrite than the PL-310/380, which
also
helps drown out the tones, and gives it a "barefoot" AM sensitivity a
little better than my Sony 7600GR.


Kevin



HI KEVIN,

is it double conversion ? to get rid of images.

byron

--- In ultralightdx@..., "Kevin S" <satya@> wrote:

The PL-390 is pocket-sized like the Sony 7600, better sound than the
PL-310/380 since it has two speakers, and the longer antenna makes it
about the best FM radio period, methinks. I highly recommend it.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA






Why not the tiny Tecsun PL-310 - Truely amazing DSP portable - Only
from
ebay it seems though

On 19 September 2010 01:27, neilbellgroups <neil.bell@>
wrote:



She wants a digital and not pocket sized - reasonable size like a
7600
or
smaller

Neil
KJ6FBA


--- In ultralightdx@...
<ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>,
keith beesley <keith1226@> wrote:

The current coat-pocket-sized Sony is the ICF-38:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_10?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=sony+icf38+portable+am+fm+radio&sprefix=sony+icf38

For some reason, my S10 MK2's receive weaker FM stations with
greater
clarity when the whip antenna is fully collapsed:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICF-S10MK2-Pocket-Radio-Silver/dp/B00020S7XK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1284854897&sr=1-1

(I'm not necessarily endorsing Amazon, just stealing their
pictures)

--- On Sat, 9/18/10, keith beesley <keith1226@> wrote:

From: keith beesley <keith1226@>
Subject: Re: [ultralightdx] Good UL for FM ??
To: ultralightdx@...
<ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 4:47 PM
Neil,

For general-purpose listening, you can't go wrong with a
Sony S10-MK2. Pocket-sized, good reception and speaker sound
for its size, good build quality, batteries last a long time
(analog tuning, no digital doodads to drain them). Widely
available new for $10-15. I keep a couple around the house
and in the cars for power failures, etc. Usable with
headphones or earbuds, but you'll need an adapter to make
the sound play in both ears.

For something a little larger, the Sony ICF-34 or the
equivalent (don't remember the current model no.).

Keith

--- On Sat, 9/18/10, neilbellgroups <neil.bell@>
wrote:

From: neilbellgroups <neil.bell@>
Subject: [ultralightdx] Good UL for FM ??
To: ultralightdx@...
<ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 4:20 PM
No interest in Dxing but want to
recommend a GOOD FM broadcast radio (reasonably
small,
portable) for my daughter.

Neil Bell
KJ6FBA



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Re: Good UL for FM ?? p.s.

pianoplayer88key
 

How good is the PL-390's AM front end? There have been times when I wanted to hear what would have been a 15,01 or so signal (if the noise floor was low enough to allow a somewhat stronger signal to be 15,25), but a powerhouse local 10kHz away was producing 50,00 desense halfway across the band. Would the PL-390 handle that better? If so, and if I could hear 0.15mV/m 1290 KKDD with a better frequency response than local 1110 KDIS (which is IBOC, and KKDD is not, and probably broadcasts to 10kHz analog) at my grandparents' house 1/3 mile from 23kW 1300 KAZN's transmitter (whose towers you can see from their front yard, and btw it's not IBOC), I might be interested in getting one to use as a clock or desk radio.

--- In ultralightdx@..., "Kevin S" <satya@...> wrote:

Hi Byron:

The non-ULR PL-390 is a DSP set like the PL-310/380. In fact, it is
basically the PL-380 with a larger case to accommodate the extra speaker,
larger whip antenna, and a few ergonomic goodies (it's a really good
clock-radio, has an mp3 input, etc.). So, it has no images or other
problems like a typical superhet receiver, either on AM or FM, unless you
are near a powerful transmitter that is saturating the poor thing.

For those looking for the ultimate FM portable, I think this is it,
especially on the lower part of the band where the 35" whip noticeably
out-performs the 22" whip on the PL-310/380. All have the incredible DSP
filtering, which approaches that of the Sony XDR tuner. The PL-310 and
PL-390 have an outboard FM/SW antenna jack, which is very useful as well.

The AM side of the Pl-390, like the PL-310/380, does have the tones on
various frequencies that many have reported. These seem to be a result of
the 45 khz-ish digital IF that it uses. However, you get a tone, not an
image station, which to me is a big difference. My experience is that the
tones can be gotten rid of, or at least substantially reduced, using just
a Terk passive loop (which is small - the bigger the better). Also, the
PL-390 has a significantly larger ferrite than the PL-310/380, which also
helps drown out the tones, and gives it a "barefoot" AM sensitivity a
little better than my Sony 7600GR.


Kevin



HI KEVIN,

is it double conversion ? to get rid of images.

byron

--- In ultralightdx@..., "Kevin S" <satya@> wrote:

The PL-390 is pocket-sized like the Sony 7600, better sound than the
PL-310/380 since it has two speakers, and the longer antenna makes it
about the best FM radio period, methinks. I highly recommend it.

Kevin S
Bainbridge Island, WA






Why not the tiny Tecsun PL-310 - Truely amazing DSP portable - Only
from
ebay it seems though

On 19 September 2010 01:27, neilbellgroups <neil.bell@>
wrote:



She wants a digital and not pocket sized - reasonable size like a
7600
or
smaller

Neil
KJ6FBA


--- In ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>,
keith beesley <keith1226@> wrote:

The current coat-pocket-sized Sony is the ICF-38:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_10?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=sony+icf38+portable+am+fm+radio&sprefix=sony+icf38

For some reason, my S10 MK2's receive weaker FM stations with
greater
clarity when the whip antenna is fully collapsed:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICF-S10MK2-Pocket-Radio-Silver/dp/B00020S7XK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1284854897&sr=1-1

(I'm not necessarily endorsing Amazon, just stealing their
pictures)

--- On Sat, 9/18/10, keith beesley <keith1226@> wrote:

From: keith beesley <keith1226@>
Subject: Re: [ultralightdx] Good UL for FM ??
To: ultralightdx@... <ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 4:47 PM
Neil,

For general-purpose listening, you can't go wrong with a
Sony S10-MK2. Pocket-sized, good reception and speaker sound
for its size, good build quality, batteries last a long time
(analog tuning, no digital doodads to drain them). Widely
available new for $10-15. I keep a couple around the house
and in the cars for power failures, etc. Usable with
headphones or earbuds, but you'll need an adapter to make
the sound play in both ears.

For something a little larger, the Sony ICF-34 or the
equivalent (don't remember the current model no.).

Keith

--- On Sat, 9/18/10, neilbellgroups <neil.bell@>
wrote:

From: neilbellgroups <neil.bell@>
Subject: [ultralightdx] Good UL for FM ??
To: ultralightdx@...
<ultralightdx%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 18, 2010, 4:20 PM
No interest in Dxing but want to
recommend a GOOD FM broadcast radio (reasonably
small,
portable) for my daughter.

Neil Bell
KJ6FBA



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Puyallup, WA TP-DX MP3's for 9-19

Gary DeBock
 

Hello All,
 
One of the side effects of getting up to chase TP's every morning at 0545 local time (in the back yard) is that your concentration level may occasionally take a dive. The MP3 links that should have been included with this morning's TP report are included below :-)
 
 
1044 CRI  Jiangsu, China  Good signals (best of season) with Japanese language
          external program at 1335  http://www.mediafire.com/?345dmqqc5ee7av6
 
738  BEL2  Penghu, Taiwan  Fair signals over a presumed HLKG in this typical
          September mix at 1323  http://www.mediafire.com/?llzm65cxdf9ahdl 
 
73 and Good DX,
Gary DeBock


Puyallup, WA Ultralight TP's for 9-19

Gary DeBock
 

Hello All,
 
It was another China morning here, with moderate signals showing up on various new frequencies like 684 and 1044 kHz. There were no dramatic fade-ins (like yesterday's 657-China) and signals in general were not at yesterday's strong levels, but the morning was another indication of shifting propagation bringing more Chinese areas into play. The Japanese and Korean stations seemed a little down in strength compared to previous days, though, and "big gun" TP audio didn't sound very big this morning.
 
Rare decent audio on 684 kHz was observed here for the first time this season around 1330 (apparent Chinese), and CRI on 1044 kHz had its best signal of the season so far with its Japanese language program around 1335. The CNR1 stations on 639 and 756 had their best audio so far, and 927 and 936 kHz took turns producing fair audio. In comparison to these, audio from the other typically strong Asians on 603, 648, 657, 666, 675 and 738 was off in strength a little, and the NHK stations weren't especially vibrant.
 
One interesting find around 1325 was a strong, ragged carrier on 702 kHz (a frequency with severe 710-Seattle splatter here), which sounded like a typical (rickety) North Korean transmitter. No TP has ever been logged on 702 (or 711) here because of the oppressive KIRO splatter, but the 702 kHz signal disappeared right after the huge 9' loop was wrestled around in an optimistic attempt to null KIRO (easier said than done :-) It's great to have Walt's TP reports back from Masset-- a location in a completely different Asiatic propagation league than Puyallup! 
 
The following were received on a C.Crane SWP Slider model (7.5" loopstick) inductively coupled to a 9' sided PVC tuned passive loop in the back yard:
 
594  JOAK  Tokyo, Japan  Fair-good with Japanese conversation around 1312
603  TP-Mix  UnID Chinese station having the edge over HLSA Korean at 1308
639  CNR1  (Many stations in China) Fair-good Chinese speech and music, 1338
648  VOR  Razdolnoye, Russia  Chinese program at fair strength w/ fades, 1321
657  Pyongyang BS, N. Korea  All alone this morning but usually at fair strength
666  JOBK  Osaka, Japan In and out with Japanese speech at anemic strength
675  VOV  Hanoi, Vietnam  Fair Vietnamese signals in 680 splatter, 1318
684  UnID  Fair Chinese speech fading in suddenly around 1337; first Asian audio
         heard on this frequency since last season, but no ID clues
702  UnID  Strong ragged carrier presumed from NK, but too much KIRO splatter
         at 1325 to dig out the funky audio
738  BEL2  Penghu, Taiwan Fair Chinese speech over a presumed HKLG in
         this typical September mix
747  JOIB  Sapporo, Japan  Fair-good signals no match for KXL splatter at 1323
756  CNR1 China  Fair-good Chinese program at 1335, best sigs of season so far
774  JOUB  Akita, Japan NHK2 program barely audible in severe KTTH slop, 1311
783  UnID  Threshold audio (apparently Chinese) showing up on this frequency
891  TP-Mix  An anonymous collection of weak TP stations drowning each other out
927  China (presumed)  Weak to fair Chinese program fading in and out repeatedly
936  China (presumed)  Slightly stronger than 927 with Chinese speech at 1318
972  HLCA  Dangjin, S. Korea  Weaker than usual with Korean program at 1337
1035  China (presumed)  Fair-good Chinese speech and music for most of morning
1044 CRI  Jiangsu, China  Good signals (best of season) with Japanese language
          external program at 1335
1053  Korean Jammer  Not as vibrant as usual this morning, but no TP co-channels
1134  TP-Mix  A typical snarl of JOQR and KBS at good strength around 1338
1377  China (presumed)  In and out with poor to fair audio for most of morning
1566  HLAZ  Jeju, S. Korea  Good strength with Japanese religious program at 1306
1575  VOA  Ban Rassom, Thailand  Fair Asiatic language audio around 1302
1593  China (presumed)  Threshold audio with deep fades for most of morning 
 
73 and Good DX,
Gary DeBock