Re: First time loop winder


Roy <roy.dyball@...>
 

Hi Barry

I don't use a winding rig, I lay the wire out straight in front of me and feed the wire through my thumb and forefinger to get an even tension while I rotate the rod. Be careful not to kink the Litz wire.

I can't really say that I saw much difference with using a former or just winding the coil straight on the rod. If you look at the Sony 7600GR , PL-600,PL380,PL310 they are wound straight on the rod and this can be good for fast prototyping so you can get an idea of the length of your coils then maybe experiment with formers.

Start out with your first coil and carefully note down the readings of RSSI and S/N from stations across the band I use about eight and compare them with readings you have taken from your stock coil.  Pay careful attention to stations at the top of the MW band (use at least two stations right at the top) as these are the hardest to keep showing the same amount of increase as stations at the bottom of the band.

You can just about always show an increase by winding more turns on the loopstick. This will show up at the bottom of the AM band but the trick is to keep the readings even (at the top).

Never just wind one coil. Once you have wound one coil you will see how easy it is. Just note down the readings and try something different. It becomes a lot of fun and quite addictive as you compare your notes. If you want to space your windings find something close to the same size as your Litz I used wire wrap wire as a spacer with the 40/46 Litz. Just feed both wires through your fingers and thumb the same as before but lay both wire out together in front of you.

I personally have found that the SI4734 in the Tecsun radios as shown by the figures that they return by software don't like to have the inductance of the loopstick coil much above 350µH. It is hard to measure inductance with a meter because different meters use different frequencies to measure the inductance and the results vary. That's why you should try different coils of different sizes and measure the results for yourself. You can also try winding your coils in the centre of the rod as I have had good results with this also.

Also remember if you are dynamically tuning your loopstick by unwinding turns or repositioning it, that with every change you make to the loopstick you must steep off the frequency you are on and then steep back again, this gives the Si4734 a chance to update its varactor and choose a new corresponding value for the change you just made.

 

Cheers Roy.   

--- In ultralightdx@..., D1028Gary@... wrote:
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> Hello Neil,
>
> Well, I sure wish I could tell you whether the Leukoplast tape is suitable
> as a coil winding base or not, but having never used the material, it's
> tough to say. If you have access to an LCR meter, you might try winding a
> simple Litz wire coil on the Leukoplast tape around a type 61 ferrite bar, to
> replace the stock loopstick coil in one of the single-coil Ultralight
> designs (DT-400W, E100, G8, PL-300WT, etc.) If you match the stock coil's
> inductance in your new coil and the radio has a decent sensitivity boost, the
> Leukoplast tape is probably working fine.
>
> The adhesive tape is simply a convenient base to hold the Litz wire turns
> neatly in place as you wind the coil, but using the wrong type of tape can
> really upset the loopstick performance. Gregory Mosher tried transplanting a
> 7.5" Amidon loopstick into his PL-310 model according to the instructions
> given in the PL-380 transplant article, but had a rough time initially
> because his coil base tape was of the wrong type, greatly reducing the radio's
> sensitivity. When he switched to the J & J tape, he had a huge boost in
> performance.
>
> If you can't find a suitable tape, Neil, I would be happy to ship some of
> the J & J tape to you. Having purchased a "lifetime supply," one 10 yard
> roll of the stuff could be easily spared, and should be enough for you to
> build about 100 loopsticks :-)
>
> 73, Gary
>
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> In a message dated 1/21/2010 9:00:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> neil.findlay52@... writes:
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> Gary
>
> in Australia Johson & Johnson Produuucts are no longer sold
>
> There is a Leukoplast waterproof tape sold as follows
>
> Leukoplast# Waterproof is a white tape featuring a zinc oxide adhesive,
> allowing it to adhere strongly
> and reliably even under heavy strain. It features high tensile strength
> and is suitable for patients with normal skin.
>
> On the packet it say it is a rubberised tape and it is smooth white and
> not very stretchy
>
> Would this be similar to what you are using
>
> Neil Findlay
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>
>
>
> ____________________________________
> From: "D1028Gary@..." D1028Gary@...
> To: ultralightdx@...
> Sent: Fri, 22 January, 2010 1:35:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [ultralightdx] First time loop winder
>
> Hello _Bgelb2@..._ (mailto:Bgelb2@...) ,
>
> Thanks for your interest in the PL-380 7.5" loopstick transplant
> operation, and I'm happy to share my own experience in building two successful
> transplant models. First of all, you may wish to check if you have the most
> complete version of the article (which contains suggestions for the two
> adhesive tapes used as a base for coil winding, and as a waterproof covering for
> the coil), This version also has "Shootout" information comparing the PL-380
> stock and modified model RSSI and S/N readings on the AM band, and is
> posted at
> _http://www.mediafire.com/?hudn0mtlueg_
> (http://www.mediafire.com/?hudn0mtlueg) .
>
> Both of my PL-380 7.5" transplant models have coil turns wound tightly
> (with no spacing) using 40/44 Litz wire on a base of Johnson & Johnson 2"
> waterproof tape, adhesive side up (available in large quantities at
> _http://www.amazon. com/dp/B0015XOCO 6/ref=asc_ df_B0015XOCO6993 990?smid=
> A367RFIQRDER75&tag=shopzilla_
> mp_1030-20&linkCode=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN= B0015XOCO6_
> (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015XOCO6/ref=asc_df_B0015XOCO6993990?smid=A367RFIQRDER75&tag=shopzilla_mp_1030-20&linkCode=asn&creativ
> e=380341&creativeASIN=B0015XOCO6) , and usually available in small
> quantities at Walgreen stores, or from me if you need a small amount). Both Steve
> Ratzlaff and I have always had excellent results wrapping 40/44 Litz wire
> coils tightly (with no spacing), although there is a difference of opinion
> about this, and Roy has found that he can gain slightly more sensitivity
> with spacing between Litz wire turns in his G8 transplant model. I respect his
> opinion about this, but since the PL-380 7.5" transplant article documents
> the DXing performance with a closely-wound 40/44 Litz wire coil, in the
> absence of an LCR meter you may wish to follow the article's instructions in
> order to finish up with a 554 uh coil inductance.
>
> There is no need to use a winder for the coil as long as you have a Litz
> wire reel (such as is supplied by Dave Schmarder is his shipments) and J & J
> adhesive tape as a coil base, as shown in the photo below:
>
>
>
>
> Although this photo shows the winding of an E100 Slider coil (far more
> complicated than winding a fixed coil, such as in the PL-380 project), the
> process of wrapping the coil turns is identical, and can be interrupted at any
> time because the J & J tape holds the coil turns tightly in place.
>
> I hope these suggestions will be useful to you, and if you have any other
> questions, please feel free to ask.
>
> 73 and Good DX,
> Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA)
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/21/2010 6:01:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> bgelb2@... writes:
>
>
> Hello to all and thank you to Gary, Roy and all the prolific contributors
> to this group who gladly share their expertise, experience and time with
> everyone. Can anyone share any tips from their experience as far as the
> actual winding process, i.e., keeping the windings neat and evenly spaced, etc.
> I am gathering what I need to do a 7.5" transplant on a Tecsun 380 and I
> will attempt to do the winding without an l/c meter. I have questions such as
> what spacing between turns (if any) should there be and do you have a
> winder rigged up.
>
> Thanks again to all,
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