Re: Can an FSL Antenna get Interference from a Strong Local Station?
jerry_popiel
Thanks for the detailed replies Gary and Michael.
I think that Gary's 3/4 inch PVC Supporting Legs are a great idea for supporting an FSL. Gary when you have time, do you know if I use one of those 10 inch diameter 4 inch wide solid Styrofoam Cake Forms (for the Ferrite Bars & Litz wire) that Steve Ratzlaff is using, and put the PVC Pipe right in the middle, would I need to somehow insulate or line the middle of the Styrofoam Form before inserting the PVC pipe? Its a bit difficult to tell on your detailed 64 Russian Rods picture, what the middle section of your PVC Pipe is resting on.
Thanks
Jerry
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To: ultralightdx@... Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:26:37 PM Subject: Re: [ultralightdx] Can an FSL Antenna get Interference from a Strong Local Station? Hello Jerry and Michael, Thanks for your questions regarding the FSL antenna's risk of overloading a receiver, and its nulling ability. After the construction of 7 of these models for both Medium Wave and Longwave frequencies, it's very clear to me that because of the extremely sharp tuning system a well-designed FSL antenna is very unlikely to overload a receiver. A DXer using the Tecsun PL-380 model quickly learns that stations on frequencies 2 or 3 kHz away from the FSL's optimized (tuned in) frequency are reduced greatly in strength, and stations farther away than that are almost never audible. This has provided a lot of help to me during a couple of summer DXpeditions, when I was trying to chase some weak South Pacific stations with domestic pests only 2 or 3 kHz away. In fact, the FSL tuning system is so sharp that unless you are exactly on the same frequency (within about 500 Hz) as the DX station, the FSL will not provide its maximum gain. This is a much different situation than with the large air core tuned passive loops, where you can get a fairly nice gain boost on the DX station even if your variable capacitor is tuned 2 or 3 kHz away from the DX station frequency. The FSL antenna does require more precise tuning, but the razor-sharp rejection of unwanted frequencies is more than worth it. As for nulling capability, as long as the collection of ferrite rods is in an accurate cylindrical shape and the the tuning capacitor is located as close as possible to the loop itself, the FSL should provide nulling capability that will outperform any other tuned, high-gain antenna (with the possible exception of the single-loopstick Quantum Loops made by Gerry Thomas). It's helpful to think of an FSL as a large collection of individual loopsticks, all working together to combine their gain (on only one tuned frequency), and also all working together to null out stations that are off the ends of the ferrite rods. As long as the cylindrical shape of the ferrite sleeve is accurate and the ferrite rods all point in exactly the same direction, both of these capabilities can be optimized. The Longwave FSL's here can completely null out any pest beacon on their own frequencies, and the MW FSL's here can null the local pests down to about 2 kHz of spectrum on their own frequencies. This nulling performance is almost identical to that of a single, razor-sharp loopstick in the Ultralight models like the SRF-59 or SRF-T615, but once again, it's very critical that care is taken to ensure that all the ferrite rods are arranged in an accurate cylindrical shape, and that the tuning capacitor is as close as possible to the loop itself. I'm aware that there is intense interest in the FSL antenna among various DXers in the Ultralightdx group who would like to try one out, but who feel perplexed about how to get started. With all the intrigue about high component prices, Russian Roulette ferrite orders and different physical designs, I know it's tough to get started. Several models of the "affordable" 7" MW FSL design (shown at http://www.mediafire.com/i/?lq2ummbunzz5p3s ) are being built here for local DXers to test out, in the hope that this $150 FSL antenna design will provide a reasonable starting point for other DXers to jump into the fun. It has already outperformed a 4' sided tuned air core loop here (the August 2010 South Pacific DXpedition antenna, no less), so it seems like a nice basic design to get started. 73 and Good DX, Gary DeBock (in Puyallup, WA, USA) -----Original Message----- From: Michael <michael.setaazul@...> To: ultralightdx <ultralightdx@...> Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2011 12:06 am Subject: Re: [ultralightdx] Can an FSL Antenna get Interference from a Strong Local Station? ----- Original Message ----- From: jerry_popiel Subject: Can an FSL Antenna get Interference from a Strong Local Station? . . . My question is does anyone know that if I build a new FSL, will I be subjected to this same Interference from my local 50,000 watt station? Any comments would be very much appreciated. Thanks Jerry ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Jerry, my guess is that a FSL would be subject to your 50kW neighbour. However, if well-built, rotating it to null the local would help - unless a wanted station was in line with the unwanted one. Gary and others who have built FSLs will be able to respond with more authority and their experience. I would be intruigued to know whether a secondary ferrite or FSL in proximity to the main one could be tuned and positioned to usefully "absorb" an intruding signal. Relative positioning would be critical - if it works at all. If the FSL were directly wired into the receiver, inserting a notch filter or phasing network would probably be better - but then we would be wandering away from simplicity and uldx maxims! Michael UK |
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